2021 Mclaren F1 Team

[McL-H]

I know that we still have quite some races to go this season, and surely morale is not too good after this weekend. But I wanted to mention that this tight championship fight between Red Bull and Mercedes could very well play into our hands. Their fight this year shows quitte some similarities to our 2008 fight with Ferrari, doesn't it? Both teams kept bringing new parts till late in the season, and when in 2009 the new regulations came, both McLaren and Ferrari started the 2009 season on the back foot. We were seconds off the pace, because we had used all our resources to win the 2008 championship. Whitmarsh said the first time the 2009 car was brought into the wind tunnel was in October, while Brawn, Red Bull, Toyota, BMW had had much more time to design their cars early onward.

Today, the use of wind tunnel, CFD and personnel is much more restricted than it was then. So the tradeoff should now be even bigger than before. I feel like McLaren is in a great position to start the new era of F1 on a high. This accounts to Ferrari and Alpine as well. I wouldn't be surprised if we will in fact be fighting either or both of those teams for the title next year.

Toto and Horner said in May they wouldn't be bringing any more parts for this years' car, but both of them brought updates anyway. And Hamilton and Verstappen were pushing their teams yesterday to keep developing the cars even more. So it is not likely that their focus will be turned towards the 2022 season anytime soon. Surely, they are working on their 2022 cars on the side, but they still have to divide their resources and their focus is not on 2022 yet. Our focus should be next year, though. Regardless of whether we lose third in the constructors or not. Our short-term goals must not stand in the way of our longterm goals. Taking an advantage early on with the new regulations, will benefit us for years to come. We have seen what it did to Red Bull in 2009-2013 and Mercedes in 2014-2021. I expect Alpine and especially Ferrari to go strong next year for the same reasons, but I am hoping we will be up there to go up against them.

[Darth-Piekus]

I know that we still have quite some races to go this season, and surely morale is not too good after this weekend. But I wanted to mention that this tight championship fight between Red Bull and Mercedes could very well play into our hands. Their fight this year shows quitte some similarities to our 2008 fight with Ferrari, doesn't it? Both teams kept bringing new parts till late in the season, and when in 2009 the new regulations came, both McLaren and Ferrari started the 2009 season on the back foot. We were seconds off the pace, because we had used all our resources to win the 2008 championship. Whitmarsh said the first time the 2009 car was brought into the wind tunnel was in October, while Brawn, Red Bull, Toyota, BMW had had much more time to design their cars early onward.

Today, the use of wind tunnel, CFD and personnel is much more restricted than it was then. So the tradeoff should now be even bigger than before. I feel like McLaren is in a great position to start the new era of F1 on a high. This accounts to Ferrari and Alpine as well. I wouldn't be surprised if we will in fact be fighting either or both of those teams for the title next year.

Toto and Horner said in May they wouldn't be bringing any more parts for this years' car, but both of them brought updates anyway. And Hamilton and Verstappen were pushing their teams yesterday to keep developing the cars even more. So it is not likely that their focus will be turned towards the 2022 season anytime soon. Surely, they are working on their 2022 cars on the side, but they still have to divide their resources and their focus is not on 2022 yet. Our focus should be next year, though. Regardless of whether we lose third in the constructors or not. Our short-term goals must not stand in the way of our longterm goals. Taking an advantage early on with the new regulations, will benefit us for years to come. We have seen what it did to Red Bull in 2009-2013 and Mercedes in 2014-2021. I expect Alpine and especially Ferrari to go strong next year for the same reasons, but I am hoping we will be up there to go up against them.

That was a well said speech. No matter where we end I would gladly trade this year for a chance to fight for the championship next year. Whatever updates Mercedes does on their engines benefits Mclaren also.

[CjC]

I know that we still have quite some races to go this season, and surely morale is not too good after this weekend. But I wanted to mention that this tight championship fight between Red Bull and Mercedes could very well play into our hands. Their fight this year shows quitte some similarities to our 2008 fight with Ferrari, doesn't it? Both teams kept bringing new parts till late in the season, and when in 2009 the new regulations came, both McLaren and Ferrari started the 2009 season on the back foot. We were seconds off the pace, because we had used all our resources to win the 2008 championship. Whitmarsh said the first time the 2009 car was brought into the wind tunnel was in October, while Brawn, Red Bull, Toyota, BMW had had much more time to design their cars early onward.

Today, the use of wind tunnel, CFD and personnel is much more restricted than it was then. So the tradeoff should now be even bigger than before. I feel like McLaren is in a great position to start the new era of F1 on a high. This accounts to Ferrari and Alpine as well. I wouldn't be surprised if we will in fact be fighting either or both of those teams for the title next year.

Toto and Horner said in May they wouldn't be bringing any more parts for this years' car, but both of them brought updates anyway. And Hamilton and Verstappen were pushing their teams yesterday to keep developing the cars even more. So it is not likely that their focus will be turned towards the 2022 season anytime soon. Surely, they are working on their 2022 cars on the side, but they still have to divide their resources and their focus is not on 2022 yet. Our focus should be next year, though. Regardless of whether we lose third in the constructors or not. Our short-term goals must not stand in the way of our longterm goals. Taking an advantage early on with the new regulations, will benefit us for years to come. We have seen what it did to Red Bull in 2009-2013 and Mercedes in 2014-2021. I expect Alpine and especially Ferrari to go strong next year for the same reasons, but I am hoping we will be up there to go up against them.

A very valid point.
What are your thoughts though that Mclaren took quite a large update to the bargeboards in Hungary whereas Ferrari stopped developing their chassis/ aero before the French GP- 6 weeks before Mclaren brought their Hungary update?

[Mansell89]

Is there any crazy sneaky way we could fight for pole in Monza or are the top boys just too far out of reach?

[Big Tea]

Is there any crazy sneaky way we could fight for pole in Monza or are the top boys just too far out of reach?

other than rain?

[McL-H]

A very valid point.
What are your thoughts though that Mclaren took quite a large update to the bargeboards in Hungary whereas Ferrari stopped developing their chassis/ aero before the French GP- 6 weeks before Mclaren brought their Hungary update?

I actually forgot about that.. I am not sure. If the updates of Hungary took away significant resources from the development of the 2022 car, then it was not the smartest move. Perhaps financial motives made them try secure 3rd place by it, instead of looking longterm? Or maybe the design had been ready way before production, and thus it didn’t hurt the development of next years’ car? I don’t know. When comparing to Ferrari, it feels like they have an advantage because of it, don’t you think? They’ve already got more wind tunnel hours available than McLaren. So if any team was in a luxury position to keep developing the 2021 car longer it was Ferrari.

[mclaren111]

Ferrari defenetely not putting anything on this year project ..McLaren had the advantage in the 1 st half but their 2nd driver never turned up.Ferrari has been consistent..with the PU upgrade coming , McLaren can write off the 3rd postion in the standing..

I wouldn't count the chickens before they hatch. We all know time and time again that the Italians exxagerate regarding anything about their car. I am pretty sure the Mercedes Engine will still be superior not to mention hearing that Mercedes has found something extra. Mclaren can still have the upper hand to the battle for 3rd.

Aaaaah so if I'm a Ferrari fan but not Italian and I say they're gonna add 200 HP it's true???

That comment is over the edge, IMHO. Watch what you say and how you say it. Try to refrain from using terms like "Italians" "Chinese" etc.

Anyways, the word Fan is and abbreviation of fanatics, exageration is expected.

How else do you / can you refer to Italians & Chinese ??

This week in Monza there will be a lot of Italians... What should they be called ??

Thx

[adrianjordan]

A very valid point.
What are your thoughts though that Mclaren took quite a large update to the bargeboards in Hungary whereas Ferrari stopped developing their chassis/ aero before the French GP- 6 weeks before Mclaren brought their Hungary update?

I actually forgot about that.. I am not sure. If the updates of Hungary took away significant resources from the development of the 2022 car, then it was not the smartest move. Perhaps financial motives made them try secure 3rd place by it, instead of looking longterm? Or maybe the design had been ready way before production, and thus it didn’t hurt the development of next years’ car? I don’t know. When comparing to Ferrari, it feels like they have an advantage because of it, don’t you think? They’ve already got more wind tunnel hours available than McLaren. So if any team was in a luxury position to keep developing the 2021 car longer it was Ferrari.

I tend to subscribe to the theory that the teams still had developments ongoing for the current season, but that it was just a small team, which is why they've taken longer than usual to bring them to the car.

I definitely don't see McLaren as having switched focus too late or anything like that.

Surely if they were still developing this car then they would have tried at least a few things to try and help Daniel get a better grip on the car?

[McG]

I wouldn't count the chickens before they hatch. We all know time and time again that the Italians exxagerate regarding anything about their car. I am pretty sure the Mercedes Engine will still be superior not to mention hearing that Mercedes has found something extra. Mclaren can still have the upper hand to the battle for 3rd.

Aaaaah so if I'm a Ferrari fan but not Italian and I say they're gonna add 200 HP it's true???

That comment is over the edge, IMHO. Watch what you say and how you say it. Try to refrain from using terms like "Italians" "Chinese" etc.

Anyways, the word Fan is and abbreviation of fanatics, exageration is expected.

How else do you / can you refer to Italians & Chinese ??

This week in Monza there will be a lot of Italians... What should they be called ??

Thx

You can't. But it depends on the context and tone. But I suspect he's been spending too much time on the internet and is showing signs of classic wallflower syndrome.

[Emag]

Is there any crazy sneaky way we could fight for pole in Monza or are the top boys just too far out of reach?

I don't think so. We were good in Monza last year, but still almost a second down on Mercedes, and RedBull had issues in quali so we didn't even see their race pace. We might be close than 8-9 tenths this year, but I doubt we'll be fighting pole.

I am just hoping we are ahead of Ferrari / midfield with both cars. We really need some points. Haven't gotten any proper amount of points since Austria.

[mwillems]

I wouldn't count the chickens before they hatch. We all know time and time again that the Italians exxagerate regarding anything about their car. I am pretty sure the Mercedes Engine will still be superior not to mention hearing that Mercedes has found something extra. Mclaren can still have the upper hand to the battle for 3rd.

Aaaaah so if I'm a Ferrari fan but not Italian and I say they're gonna add 200 HP it's true???

That comment is over the edge, IMHO. Watch what you say and how you say it. Try to refrain from using terms like "Italians" "Chinese" etc.

Anyways, the word Fan is and abbreviation of fanatics, exageration is expected.

How else do you / can you refer to Italians & Chinese ??

This week in Monza there will be a lot of Italians... What should they be called ??

Thx

Italians, not "the exaggerating Italians", or "the lazy italians", or any other pejorative you can think of

I don't think DP meant it that way but it did read that way and Diffuser has a fair point.

[diffuser]

I wouldn't count the chickens before they hatch. We all know time and time again that the Italians exaggerate regarding anything about their car. I am pretty sure the Mercedes Engine will still be superior not to mention hearing that Mercedes has found something extra. Mclaren can still have the upper hand to the battle for 3rd.

Aaaaah so if I'm a Ferrari fan but not Italian and I say they're gonna add 200 HP it's true???

That comment is over the edge, IMHO. Watch what you say and how you say it. Try to refrain from using terms like "Italians" "Chinese" etc.

Anyways, the word Fan is and abbreviation of fanatics, exaggeration is expected.

How else do you / can you refer to Italians & Chinese ??

This week in Monza there will be a lot of Italians... What should they be called ??

Thx

You're not describing Italians there as one race with all the same trait.

racism
The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.



Oh and we're WAY off topic.

[McL-H]

You're not describing Italians there as one race with all the same trait.

racism
The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.



Oh and we're WAY off topic.

I am really sorry, because most of the time I enjoy reading your contributions to this forum. But I want to defend Darth-Piekus here. For you to exaggerate his words and apply a meaning to it that suits you is out of order. Racism is real. Accusing others of racism is not something you should be taking lightly. You got a moment to feel some moral superiority. Good for you. But you're hurting someones reputation and feelings by doing so.

With that awful remark of yours, you were the one to take it off topic btw. Not anyone else.

[diffuser]

You're not describing Italians there as one race with all the same trait.

racism
The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.



Oh and we're WAY off topic.

I am really sorry, because most of the time I enjoy reading your contributions to this forum. But I want to defend Darth-Piekus here. For you to exaggerate his words and apply a meaning to it that suits you is out of order. Racism is real. Accusing others of racism is not something you should be taking lightly. You got a moment to feel some moral superiority. Good for you. But you're hurting someones reputation and feelings by doing so.

With that awful remark of yours, you were the one to take it off topic btw. Not anyone else.

I didn't accuse him of racisms and don't think he was being racist. I just said he should watch how he says stuff, it could offend people.. I was done with it. That's all I wanted to say to him.

The racisms stuff was for our South African friend. Who seem to not know what racism is and was playing coy.

[mclaren111]

You're not describing Italians there as one race with all the same trait.

racism
The belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.



Oh and we're WAY off topic.

I am really sorry, because most of the time I enjoy reading your contributions to this forum. But I want to defend Darth-Piekus here. For you to exaggerate his words and apply a meaning to it that suits you is out of order. Racism is real. Accusing others of racism is not something you should be taking lightly. You got a moment to feel some moral superiority. Good for you. But you're hurting someones reputation and feelings by doing so.

With that awful remark of yours, you were the one to take it off topic btw. Not anyone else.

I didn't accuse him of racisms and don't think he was being racist. I just said he should watch how he says stuff, it could offend people.. I was done with it. That's all I wanted to say to him.

The racisms stuff was for our South African friend. Who seem to not know what racism is and was playing coy.

I just asked for the sake of clarification...

I have been accused of racism before because I'm "Old School" and don't believe in change just for the sake of change or change to appease "Big Business"...