2021 Ferrari F1 Team

[ryaan2904]

Even though Ferrari is not bringing engine upgrades, i feel they will take risks with Aggressive engine mode settings(like run higher power for a longer time) to make up the positions.

Yeah exactly cuz they have to take an extra engine anyways

[Mr.S]

15 HP should be how much in a power track like Monza (3 Tenths??) - I know it is not coming in Monza. What could be the gains in qualifying with say in a circuit with 1;30s average lap time ?

[Gillian]

It's hard to say if the only info you have is "15 HP" imo. Max bhp? Torque curve would be more interesting.

I really hope it's a good upgrade. Would be nice to see Leclerc and Sainz a bit more competitive!

[wowgr8]

15 HP should be how much in a power track like Monza (3 Tenths??) - I know it is not coming in Monza. What could be the gains in qualifying with say in a circuit with 1;30s average lap time ?

That's exactly what f1analisitecnica says. 15hp is worth 3 tenths in Monza. That's absolutely massive in Monza where the field closes up dramatically

[wowgr8]

Can someone technically minded explain to me how it's possible for Ferrari to get 15 more hp out of the ERS when the maximum output is limited to 160hp?

[Gillian]

That's what I hinted at above. 160 hp is max figure. That 15 hp could be anywhere on the curve making it hard to predict the benefit in time gained on a lap.

[wowgr8]

I think when they say 15hp, they mean the effect is (equivalent to) 15hp

[Gillian]

Likely more efficient harvesting and deployment. Didn't Honda make the biggest gains there too? I remember Wazari posting something about that.

Most of the power is deployed at the start of straights, potentially smoothing the curve so a 15 HP increase somewhere there would be likely.

[JPower]

Hard to see either car making it out of Q2 tomorrow. At the very least, they'll be at a disadvantage to Mercedes, McLaren, Red Bull, Alpine, and Gasly. Aston could easily sneak in as well.

Interested to see them try though.

[ferrarifire]

Ferrrai carried out Monza specific development ( as confirmed new front and rear wing) and extensive simulator testing on setup , braking & traction performance. The gap to leaders in engine deficit alone .3 secs ( 15 hp) and they are trying to make up with better traction and setup...it will not be as bad as last year and we can expect some little surprise from ferrari.

[CRazyLemon]

The front wing is something new, some squarish finishing on it. I wonder if the aero team is gaining confidence and are trying to push the design thinking a bit off the conventional track.

[JPower]

They looked OK in P1. Will be borderline. The softs gained about a tenth over the mediums so not much to be gained there.

McLaren looks like they’ll be right with Red Bull behind Mercedes.

[Mr.S]

Ferrrai carried out Monza specific development ( as confirmed new front and rear wing) and extensive simulator testing on setup , braking & traction performance. The gap to leaders in engine deficit alone .3 secs ( 15 hp) and they are trying to make up with better traction and setup...it will not be as bad as last year and we can expect some little surprise from ferrari.

I think it is probably something like 4 or 5 tenths PU wise in a track wise Monza & maybe 2/3 or 3/4 tenths in other tracks.

I am not sure if 15 HP is the full deficit. It is probably around 20HP & that is without considering Mercedes new engine cooling thing which is getting additional benefit (maybe a tenth ??)

But 2-3 tenths is significant. I also don't think Ferrari have invested as much with the new floor & bargeboards as Mercedes & RB have so there is time to be found there but they are possibly focusing on 2022 which is understandable. The car is probably best in the field (with RB) in slow speed corners & traction out of the corners.

With the PU upgrade (2-3 tenths more), Ferrari can pip Mclaren & challenge in power tracks like Monza but the engine deficit it too big & that is causing Ferrari to run with less wing that say Mercedes which hurts them in the corners, balance wise & tyre degradation wise !

[LM10]

Ferrrai carried out Monza specific development ( as confirmed new front and rear wing) and extensive simulator testing on setup , braking & traction performance. The gap to leaders in engine deficit alone .3 secs ( 15 hp) and they are trying to make up with better traction and setup...it will not be as bad as last year and we can expect some little surprise from ferrari.

I think it is probably something like 4 or 5 tenths PU wise in a track wise Monza & maybe 2/3 or 3/4 tenths in other tracks.

I am not sure if 15 HP is the full deficit. It is probably around 20HP & that is without considering Mercedes new engine cooling thing which is getting additional benefit (maybe a tenth ??)

But 2-3 tenths is significant. I also don't think Ferrari have invested as much with the new floor & bargeboards as Mercedes & RB have so there is time to be found there but they are possibly focusing on 2022 which is understandable. The car is probably best in the field (with RB) in slow speed corners & traction out of the corners.

With the PU upgrade (2-3 tenths more), Ferrari can pip Mclaren & challenge in power tracks like Monza but the engine deficit it too big & that is causing Ferrari to run with less wing that say Mercedes which hurts them in the corners, balance wise & tyre degradation wise !

Ferrari had more wing than Mercedes in FP1 today.

[Ced]

Ferrrai carried out Monza specific development ( as confirmed new front and rear wing) and extensive simulator testing on setup , braking & traction performance. The gap to leaders in engine deficit alone .3 secs ( 15 hp) and they are trying to make up with better traction and setup...it will not be as bad as last year and we can expect some little surprise from ferrari.

I think it is probably something like 4 or 5 tenths PU wise in a track wise Monza & maybe 2/3 or 3/4 tenths in other tracks.

I am not sure if 15 HP is the full deficit. It is probably around 20HP & that is without considering Mercedes new engine cooling thing which is getting additional benefit (maybe a tenth ??)

But 2-3 tenths is significant. I also don't think Ferrari have invested as much with the new floor & bargeboards as Mercedes & RB have so there is time to be found there but they are possibly focusing on 2022 which is understandable. The car is probably best in the field (with RB) in slow speed corners & traction out of the corners.

With the PU upgrade (2-3 tenths more), Ferrari can pip Mclaren & challenge in power tracks like Monza but the engine deficit it too big & that is causing Ferrari to run with less wing that say Mercedes which hurts them in the corners, balance wise & tyre degradation wise !

Ferrari had more wing than Mercedes in FP1 today.

Yup and I don't understand why