Let's not warp and corrupt the meaning of a B spec car in F1.
a new Floor and sidepods doesn't make a B spec car.
In fact those upgrades dont even have to be installes on the same weekend. they can be 3 or 4 races apart. Whould call it B 0.5 then B?
Let's not warp and corrupt the meaning of a B spec car in F1.
Sidepods yes, floor not so much. Most, and likely all of the air that goes into the floor (not the floor vanes) comes from under the nose. The innermost vane that sheds the underfloor vortex is most likely fed from the clean air under the suspension. Air going through and between suspension arms goes mostly on top of the floor, like this:Hoffman900 wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 06:43The front wishbone geometry and placement is a big driver in how air is fed into the sidepods and the floor intake.
Fair point on the floor. Strakes yes, actual underfloor, likely not. That said it all works in conjunction.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 09:15Sidepods yes, floor not so much. Most, and likely all of the air that goes into the floor (not the floor vanes) comes from under the nose. The innermost vane that sheds the underfloor vortex is most likely fed from the clean air under the suspension. Air going through and between suspension arms goes mostly on top of the floor, like this:Hoffman900 wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 06:43The front wishbone geometry and placement is a big driver in how air is fed into the sidepods and the floor intake.
I think this is an interesting observation. Could it be the compromise Mercedes have to make due to the small sidepod?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 13:52There are other details that Merceded are missing. And engineering sense tells us its the floor . Look at the width if the floor entrance here. It is definitely too restricted in an effort to deflect front wheel wake. Redbull has the widest opening. They possibly deflect the wake better or has a floor that can ingest wheel wake without issues.
As Vanja pointed out, the floor is only fed in the innermost portion, the strakes are more or less what you’re seeing and they’re about vortex generation.AR3-GP wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 14:25I think this is an interesting observation. Could it be the compromise Mercedes have to make due to the small sidepod?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 13:52There are other details that Merceded are missing. And engineering sense tells us its the floor . Look at the width if the floor entrance here. It is definitely too restricted in an effort to deflect front wheel wake. Redbull has the widest opening. They possibly deflect the wake better or has a floor that can ingest wheel wake without issues.
Looks like Mercedes can use the outside of the fence more effectively to push tyre wake away though.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 13:52There are other details that Merceded are missing. And engineering sense tells us its the floor . Look at the width if the floor entrance here. It is definitely too restricted in an effort to deflect front wheel wake. Redbull has the widest opening. They possibly deflect the wake better or has a floor that can ingest wheel wake without issues.
Stolen from reddit:
https://preview.redd.it/qoiu8pkvtdoa1.j ... 6e1ef6aedb
https://preview.redd.it/oqf0ks7vtdoa1.j ... 91bfb31b7d
Why are we trying to do? What does that solve? Like, how does that fix their current problems?OO7 wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 14:40Looks like Mercedes can use the outside of the fence more effectively to push tyre wake away though.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 13:52There are other details that Merceded are missing. And engineering sense tells us its the floor . Look at the width if the floor entrance here. It is definitely too restricted in an effort to deflect front wheel wake. Redbull has the widest opening. They possibly deflect the wake better or has a floor that can ingest wheel wake without issues.
Stolen from reddit:
https://preview.redd.it/qoiu8pkvtdoa1.j ... 6e1ef6aedb
https://preview.redd.it/oqf0ks7vtdoa1.j ... 91bfb31b7d
Look at launch-spec floor inlet on F1-75, even narrower, innermost vane starts all the way under the nose.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 13:52There are other details that Merceded are missing. And engineering sense tells us its the floor . Look at the width if the floor entrance here. It is definitely too restricted in an effort to deflect front wheel wake.
My post was simply a response to the possible reason Mercedes choose the design, it wasn't about fixing their ills.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 14:43Why are we trying to do? What does that solve? Like, how does that fix their current problems?
The AM appears draggier in a straight line than the RB and possibly the current Merc, and it handles this better, at least visually, than the Merc.
But that’s not the problem, lack of df is the problem.
Would more mass flow into the vanes create a stronger and more stable vane/tunnel vortex?Vanja #66 wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 16:03Look at launch-spec floor inlet on F1-75, even narrower, innermost vane starts all the way under the nose.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 13:52There are other details that Merceded are missing. And engineering sense tells us its the floor . Look at the width if the floor entrance here. It is definitely too restricted in an effort to deflect front wheel wake.
https://cdn-3.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... arlo-1.jpg
If you make it narrower, then you won't force too much pressurisation in the front part of the floor, ie you won't create lift where you want downforce.
Yes, but only if the rest of the floor is aligned with that intentionMchamilton wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 19:02Would more mass flow into the vanes create a stronger and more stable vane/tunnel vortex?
It could very well be.AR3-GP wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 14:25I think this is an interesting observation. Could it be the compromise Mercedes have to make due to the small sidepod?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Mar 2023, 13:52There are other details that Merceded are missing. And engineering sense tells us its the floor . Look at the width if the floor entrance here. It is definitely too restricted in an effort to deflect front wheel wake. Redbull has the widest opening. They possibly deflect the wake better or has a floor that can ingest wheel wake without issues.