2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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I don't get it, they choose to stay but in the end they pitted and now there is sun so in 2 laps the racing line will be dry?
We started the Plan Aaaa Plan Bbbbb Plan Cccc again?

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Ferrari could have gotten a double podium if they pitted the same time as Max did but didnt and way more rain came than they said would.

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bluechris wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 07:54
I don't get it, they choose to stay but in the end they pitted and now there is sun so in 2 laps the racing line will be dry?
We started the Plan Aaaa Plan Bbbbb Plan Cccc again?
dont know about Leclerc's radio but Lewis asked how much rain was coming, if it was more or just did, adami said thats all it would be so Ham kept going, well surprise, it wasnt and they basically left Charles and Lewis out to dry, double podium potentially turned into barely finishing in the points

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bluechris wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 07:54
I don't get it, they choose to stay but in the end they pitted and now there is sun so in 2 laps the racing line will be dry?
We started the Plan Aaaa Plan Bbbbb Plan Cccc again?
dont know about Leclerc's radio but Lewis asked how much rain was coming, if it was more or just this, adami said thats all it would be so Ham kept going, well surprise, it wasnt and they basically left Charles and Lewis out to dry, double podium potentially turned into barely finishing in the points

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feels bad man... smh.. worst start to the season in some time i think..

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After Saturday, clearly they didn’t have the package for this weekend. But it is just one weekend, so things happen.

But you can’t drop the strategic ball like that. Disappointing.

That being said, the McLaren is Formula 0.5. The grip Oscar had on that overtake was lovely
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Luscion wrote:
15 Mar 2025, 18:07
Ferrari chose a beam wing config, softened the car and raised the ride height for rain tomorrow but were caught off guard by the balance, car had a lot of understeer, not in this article but Lewis also talked about how temps dropped and they did the same prep laps they were doing when the tires were overheating and should have done something different and been more dynamic. Stella and Wolff also said they dont take Ferrari's performance in quali at face value and that theyre much closer than they appeared

https://www.f1oversteer.com/news/toto-w ... rand-prix/


https://autoracer.it/it/ferrari-qualifi ... l-mercedes
Ferrari's biggest losses to McLaren occurred in Turn 4 (dry entry into a fast left-hand corner) and in turns 13 and
14, where the gap incurred was almost 3 tenths. In these two sections, especially the last one, it is understeer that dominates, with the car leading the two drivers more meters and then not being in the ideal trajectory in traction.
The SF-25 paid an average of McLaren from 5 to 6 km/h, by virtue of a beam wing more in terms of rain than the payapa. Instead, Mercedes and Red Bull focused on a rear wing one step lower, which in the dry certainly helped in qualifying. From what we know in Ferrari they had two setup options, with the team going for the more full wet conditions choice (Plan B). A more “drastic” choice in conditions to soften the car and increase ground clearance, than an initially more compromise choice between qualifying and race. It is clear that at Ferrari they were caught off guard by other factors related to the balance sheet, which complicated the ugliest qualification of the potential that the SF-25 could have put into practice.
So let's talk about this "more full wet conditions choice".

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Both drivers made some rookie errors today. Leclerc's spin, Hamilton not being able to overtake and then being overtaken multiple times. But more than the drivers, I am so disappointed in the team and the garages.

Adami and Hamilton need to sit down and talk things out, because I listened to their radios all race long and was shocked by how uncommunicative they were to each other. I know it'll take time, but...

Bozzi was better but it seemed like Ferrari was always on the back foot in terms of strategy, so information was always being fed to Leclerc later than the others. Basically useless.

Leclerc sounded pretty distraught and upset with himself on the radio after the race, and apologized. Hamilton did his generic "not a great result but we keep pushing," which to me translates to "wow, that was terrible."

Needless to say, the mood in the Ferrari garage will not be good tonight.

Honestly one of Ferrari's worst races in a long time. I take back what I said before, this is a lot worse than Silverstone.

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Being on the right tyre at the right time, as Martin Brundle would say, is the moto of this business. If it is raining heavily, put your drivers on wet tyres. Don't second-guess the weather.

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No hopes even for the next weekend, they’re back to the usual modus operandi.

This will test Hamilton’s mental strength for sure.

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Sergej wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 08:13
So let's talk about this "more full wet conditions choice".
yea we get it man, no need to rub it in.. enjoy that your fav driver/team did well.

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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 08:15
Both drivers made some rookie errors today. Leclerc's spin, Hamilton not being able to overtake and then being overtaken multiple times. But more than the drivers, I am so disappointed in the team and the garages.

Adami and Hamilton need to sit down and talk things out, because I listened to their radios all race long and was shocked by how uncommunicative they were to each other. I know it'll take time, but...

Bozzi was better but it seemed like Ferrari was always on the back foot in terms of strategy, so information was always being fed to Leclerc later than the others. Basically useless.

Leclerc sounded pretty distraught and upset with himself on the radio after the race, and apologized. Hamilton did his generic "not a great result but we keep pushing," which to me translates to "wow, that was terrible."

Needless to say, the mood in the Ferrari garage will not be good tonight.

Honestly one of Ferrari's worst races in a long time. I take back what I said before, this is a lot worse than Silverstone.
Ham only got overtaken twice iirc? by Charles and Piastri at the end, i wouldnt blame the drivers today the car was pretty slow and them barely finishing in the points today was down to Ferrari executing a terrible strategy, had they pitted when Max did it would have been a 3-4 finish for them.

Adami means well and he's trying to give Lewis as much info as possible because everything is new to him but Lewis likes minimal info and Bono was good with that, its just going to take time to get used to how eachother operates.

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How is it possible Adami and Bozzi were giving such different information at the exact same time? Reminds me again of Silverstone last season, when Adami correctly said it would rain and Bozzi said the opposite. How is Ferrari passing around info in the garages that the race engineers are saying completely different things?

This is a serious question. If anyone has the answer about how they give the race engineers information, I want to know. Because it makes no sense to me right now.

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Welcome to Scuderia Ferrari, Lewis.

This weekend truly did fall apart during qualifying; On that alone we were the 3rd-4th fastest car. There isn’t enough evidence to suggest we truly went with a wetter setup for the race… and even if we did, then we still had 3 teams ahead of us still on pace alone.

Then the race - obviously not much to be done for the most
part with little pace, but as soon as the McLarens and Max went off when the rain arrived towards the eod of the race, I would’ve been screaming at everyone on the pit wall to get both drivers in for intermediates… but nope, leave them out of Dry Tyres… that is dusting off some Ferrari memes in the history books. That alone cost us a chance of a double podium, or at least a Top 5 finish guaranteed with both cars if they kept it on track.

Further more, both drivers were frustrated with the pit wall throughout the whole race… compared to the rest of the field where things seemed quite calm in comparison… very worrying in these early stages that they don’t seem to have much confidence on what is being relayed and directed to them. Might be down to conditions which I know were difficult, but still doesn’t paint the whole picture.

Minor again though mentioned before, both drivers making tiny errors that costed the team as well, but does that stem more to the car being tricky to drive? Yes conditions I get it… but a good car should be good in all conditions, not just when it’s dry, 27 degrees with 8km/h winds blowing east and the humidity is 42%…

So… another year to P2/P3 in the constructors standings it would seem… unless Ferrari has another 0.5-1 second potential to still unlock from the SF25, McLaren has it sorted… potentially with Max to keep them honest…

It’s tough being a Tifosi…

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Luscion wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 07:55
Ferrari could have gotten a double podium if they pitted the same time as Max did but didnt and way more rain came than they said would.
No. They couldn't have overtaken/defended against Max. The Ferrari was notably slower than Redbull and Mercedes. On any tyre.
Btw, LH's ego must have taken a hammer blow today, after he got overtaken in two 'race-crafty' moves by LeClerc and Piastri. He was so busy keeping the car 'alive' that he simply didn't have the spare "processing power" to indulge in defence.