2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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venkyhere wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 09:00
Luscion wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 07:55
Ferrari could have gotten a double podium if they pitted the same time as Max did but didnt and way more rain came than they said would.
No. They couldn't have overtaken/defended against Max. The Ferrari was notably slower than Redbull and Mercedes. On any tyre.
Btw, LH's ego must have taken a hammer blow today, after he got overtaken in two 'race-crafty' moves by LeClerc and Piastri. He was so busy keeping the car 'alive' that he simply didn't have the spare "processing power" to indulge in defence.
Max yes but how you know that MB if they were behind could had pass them? To me in the conditions that the track was, no one could pass anyone normally.

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Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Same old Ferrari throwing away podiums on a plate. Pit wall horror show.

All in all, car not good enough, but every man and his dog knew to pit. Shambles.

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Ferrari in the wet are simply awful. Car always lacks pace in the wet but also suffers from deg, and the strategy calls from the team are always one step behind everyone else.
Other than that a lot of work to do to close the gap to the mclarens for everyone, they are RB19 level ahead on todays evidence

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Outside of this race which was always going to be a disaster as Ferrari cars never work in the wet (outside some very rare outliers) McL advantage is just too big. I don't think someone will be able to challenge them.

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Ferrari pit wall as always Image
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So just to be clear...the reason why the car was such a handful to drive...was because they changed the setup to accommodate for we weather...but then instead it changed the balance?

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Jdn1327 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:50
So just to be clear...the reason why the car was such a handful to drive...was because they changed the setup to accommodate for we weather...but then instead it changed the balance?
No. They didn't change the setup for these conditions.

Current speculation is that they changed it for excessive plank wear.

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Xyz22 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:52
Jdn1327 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:50
So just to be clear...the reason why the car was such a handful to drive...was because they changed the setup to accommodate for we weather...but then instead it changed the balance?
No. They didn't change the setup for these conditions.

Current speculation is that they changed it for excessive plank wear.
Is this directly linked to the change to pull rod or just because they didn't setup the car properly for this circuit?

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Wish someone from the pit sees this comment and I would advise them to just copy RB n max in rain situations. If max pits then pit if max goes for full wet do as same. Redbull hardly ever get it wrong. On the contrary Ferrari, Not only mess up the timing to pit but also often get the tyre choice wrong 😑

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Jdn1327 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:53
Xyz22 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:52
Jdn1327 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:50
So just to be clear...the reason why the car was such a handful to drive...was because they changed the setup to accommodate for we weather...but then instead it changed the balance?
No. They didn't change the setup for these conditions.

Current speculation is that they changed it for excessive plank wear.
Is this directly linked to the change to pull rod or just because they didn't setup the car properly for this circuit?
No idea. We don't know at the moment really.

In any even they have to find a solution quickly or yeah it won't make sense to develop this car.

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Xyz22 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 16:07
Jdn1327 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:53
Xyz22 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:52


No. They didn't change the setup for these conditions.

Current speculation is that they changed it for excessive plank wear.
Is this directly linked to the change to pull rod or just because they didn't setup the car properly for this circuit?
No idea. We don't know at the moment really.

In any even they have to find a solution quickly or yeah it won't make sense to develop this car.
I havent seen anyone mention possible plank wear issues other than a sky italia commentator

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Luscion wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 16:11
Xyz22 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 16:07
Jdn1327 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:53

Is this directly linked to the change to pull rod or just because they didn't setup the car properly for this circuit?
No idea. We don't know at the moment really.

In any even they have to find a solution quickly or yeah it won't make sense to develop this car.
I havent seen anyone mention possible plank wear issues other than a sky italia commentator
I think at a more conventional circuit, namely China, maybe they'll be able to tune in the car properly. Whatever happens...this weekend in China is gonna be an indicator of performance in future races.

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Luscion wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 16:11
Xyz22 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 16:07
Jdn1327 wrote:
16 Mar 2025, 15:53

Is this directly linked to the change to pull rod or just because they didn't setup the car properly for this circuit?
No idea. We don't know at the moment really.

In any even they have to find a solution quickly or yeah it won't make sense to develop this car.
I havent seen anyone mention possible plank wear issues other than a sky italia commentator
There is no other explanation really. Leclerc after quali said that they had to change something that would have had a negative impact on performance (implying for the entire weekend).

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I dont see the race as a failure. It could have gone any direction with the gamble.
The drivers say the car was not great to drive in the wet, but Lewis clearly had pace behind albon but was just bottled in. Other times there were drs trains. The drivers also kept it out of the wall.
This car is 4th fastest behind the mercedes. Redbull and Mclaren are another step ahead.

Leclerce was in clean air and could not gain on Russel. So that said enough about ferrari pace.

Lewis could not overtake but this because of the current formula and tyres. It was not going to be possible againt a Williams. He made a few attemps. His quality of being solid also shone through. Charles made big error with the spin, and Lewis found his way leading at one point. I was expecting the team to pit him, byt the pitwall got too greedy with the gamble.

We have work to do with the strategy mostly. The car isnt fast but i think it will be fine in hotter temperatures. Maybe able to be ahead of Mercedes.
The Driver and Race engineer connnection needs work also, but I am glad this difficult race put strains on Lewis and Adami to break the ice and learn more of how each other works.
It seens Adami expects the car to be able to have the K1 engine mode right out of the corners, and Lewis feelsthe grip was not there for it. They will talk after the race and learn each other's perspective.
This is early times guys. I am not concerned.
McLaren is likely to be champion but I think the ferrari drivers are still the most solid pair.
The car is still a mystery.
For Sure!!

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This situation reminds me of the past years with Mercedes, when their employees repeated: wait a little longer, just a little bit more and we will find hidden performance and a good balance. If the car is healthy, it goes fast and is immediately tuned, just look at McLaren. Everything else is some kind of excuses and justifications. And anyway, McLaren started this era of ground effect with a trough and a bucket of bolts. Why were they able to get the WCC, while Ferrari is still second or third? If this creation from Maranello is capricious in China, then 2025 can be sent to the scrap heap and prepare for 2026. And even then, it is not a fact that the engine will not be the second most powerful after Mercedes, which is predicted to be the leader.

And there is no need to say that this is the first race, we should wait a little more, 3 races, 5 races, a quarter of the season, half of the season. Points need to be scored immediately, because the competition has increased and if earlier 2-3 drivers were within 0.6 seconds, now with such a gap you can start from the middle of the grid and say goodbye to podiums.