2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

And what shocked me, that Marko was kind of lamenting about that "maybe they should look into our sim processes" after years of struggling with correlation issues. WTF. This really baffles me as I think it should be the norm to have an automatic review after the first, but latest the second instance it happens.

Don't take Marko seriously. Do you really think the team is not already looking into it ? I'm sure they have been, since Miami 2024, atleast (maybe even before that).
He is almost 80, geriatric; and wasn't a 'technical guy' to begin with, anyway. Don't take him seriously.

I wouldn't be so dismissive of Marko here. Sometimes the "did you trying turning it off and back on again" answer from the least sophisticated person in the room, ends up being the correct answer. The "experts" who are surrounded by the problem day after day can become numb to obvious answers.

As you say, they are aware of this issue since Miami 2024. We are now 1 year later...In 1 year, Mclaren made the fastest car and Red Bull haven't managed yet to make a car which correlated with simulation. That just gives some context as to what should be possible in that timeframe.

[AR3-GP]

The lack of correlation brings into question how any development from the factory can be trusted for the future. The drivers are investing all this time in the simulator and the real car is not the same. In my opinion, a team simply does not recover from this in a season. Mclaren was behind but had good correlation. There is simply too much for Red Bull to fix and too many cars ahead. I don't expect much in 5 races time. The others will have moved the goalpost further.

Bingo. I've been saying this from last year. The moment the word 'correlation' started getting used to describe RedBull's problems. Unless this is fixed, all development work is 'glorified trial&error'. Without fixing this, there is no point to what anyone (team or driver) says to the media. Exactly same situation as Mercedes 2022 & 2023.

It also raises the question of why bother developing the 2026 car now when you know the same processes failed to develop the 2025 car. Everything at RBR should ground to a halt until correlation is restored in the 2025 car. A late 2026 car with correlation is a better starting point than an on-time 2026 car with the same correlation problems as the RB21. They are burning money on car developments which only work in a fantasy.

[Chuckjr]

The lack of correlation brings into question how any development from the factory can be trusted for the future. The drivers are investing all this time in the simulator and the real car is not the same. In my opinion, a team simply does not recover from this in a season. Mclaren was behind but had good correlation. There is simply too much for Red Bull to fix and too many cars ahead. I don't expect much in 5 races time. The others will have moved the goalpost further.

Bingo. I've been saying this from last year. The moment the word 'correlation' started getting used to describe RedBull's problems. Unless this is fixed, all development work is 'glorified trial&error'. Without fixing this, there is no point to what anyone (team or driver) says to the media. Exactly same situation as Mercedes 2022 & 2023.

Everything at RBR should ground to a halt until correlation is restored in the 2025 car. A late 2026 car with correlation is a better starting point than an on-time 2026 car with the same correlation problems as the RB21. They are burning money on car developments which only work in a fantasy.

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If memory serves, I think Merc did exactly that.

[AR3-GP]

Bingo. I've been saying this from last year. The moment the word 'correlation' started getting used to describe RedBull's problems. Unless this is fixed, all development work is 'glorified trial&error'. Without fixing this, there is no point to what anyone (team or driver) says to the media. Exactly same situation as Mercedes 2022 & 2023.

Everything at RBR should ground to a halt until correlation is restored in the 2025 car. A late 2026 car with correlation is a better starting point than an on-time 2026 car with the same correlation problems as the RB21. They are burning money on car developments which only work in a fantasy.

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If memory serves, I think Merc did exactly that.

Yes as I recall it, Mercedes spent more than half the season (2023?) running the same high drag rear wing, specifically to isolate and investigate their correlation problems.

[f1isgood]

It's very clear Mercedes is second fastest this year.

[AR3-GP]

100% agree and Mercedes in-season development is no joke. I wouldn't even say it's beyond shadow of doubt that Mercedes is fastest at end of year.

[Sergej]

Here we go, Yuki was doing well....as long as things didn't matter, when he had to push to pass Q2, he did crucial mistakes in his laps. That car...

[AR3-GP]

That banker from Max lmao. Pulled out the arse

[f1isgood]

Max carry so hard this insane. McL casually pulls 3 tenths in a 17s sector.

[f1isgood]

100% agree and Mercedes in-season development is no joke. I wouldn't even say it's beyond shadow of doubt that Mercedes is fastest at end of year.

Yeah, I expect Russell to fight for the title if McLaren guys don't prioritize one driver soon enough.

[Sergej]

very good lap from Max, not sure he will keep P2 though

[AR3-GP]

very good lap from Max, not sure he will keep P2 though

a trackside fire...

[AR3-GP]

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[Sergej]

oh man...........

[AR3-GP]

STILL THE KING!!!!