2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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emp wrote:
20 Feb 2026, 16:39
diffuser wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 22:33
emp wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:45


I am willing to make a bet that the engine will be *that* bad this year. If they have so many small problems, you can't tell anyone that the engine will be good next month when this month is extremely underwhelming.

Development doesn't happen over night in F1 and no sane manufacturer goes to limited testing with their lesser spec engine because track testing is invaluable. Ask Honda and their oil pump.

We don't know much, Could even be a fuel problem.
Aged badly.

Sadly for F1, Honda is again underprepared. I didn't think that Newey can turn a whole organisation overnight into a winner, but a repeat of 2015 considering that Honda had a good engine in 2025 is inexcusable for me.
yep.

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Leon Kennedy wrote:
20 Feb 2026, 15:57
Bisonas wrote:
20 Feb 2026, 14:48
Did AMR had a filming day this season?? I remember one scheduled but canceled.

Did they actually had a filming day so far??

AFAIK They are allowed to do 2 per season.

Did they did any? I don't remember.

If not.. probably they were afraid of the possibility that a situation like this may arise and maybe saved the filming days for testing new engine upgrades and fixes as late as possible.

EDIT: Even one filming day with 200km could be enough for validating most of the data on a new upgraded engine that has all the fixes.
They had one for Barcelona that was canceled, but they did one in Bahrain before the second week of testing. So there's only one shakedown left. I don't know how they'll do in Australia, let's hope so, they haven't even managed to do a qualifying or race simulation.
Australia is gonna be the next 3 day shake down. Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Remember AMF1 Bring enough parts! On the positive side, in FP if you cause a red flag, you can't send the car back out till the next session. That will limit the number of parts used. :(

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When Newey said 'the car in Australia will be very different' , what did he mean with the word 'different' ?
different = "will finish the race" ?

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venkyhere wrote:
20 Feb 2026, 16:56
When Newey said 'the car in Australia will be very different' , what did he mean with the word 'different' ?
different = "will finish the race" ?
Different in aerodynamics, chassis, and engine. Practically a new car. Whether it finishes the race or not is another story.

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emp wrote:
20 Feb 2026, 16:39
diffuser wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 22:33
emp wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:45


I am willing to make a bet that the engine will be *that* bad this year. If they have so many small problems, you can't tell anyone that the engine will be good next month when this month is extremely underwhelming.

Development doesn't happen over night in F1 and no sane manufacturer goes to limited testing with their lesser spec engine because track testing is invaluable. Ask Honda and their oil pump.

We don't know much, Could even be a fuel problem.
Aged badly.

Sadly for F1, Honda is again underprepared. I didn't think that Newey can turn a whole organisation overnight into a winner, but a repeat of 2015 considering that Honda had a good engine in 2025 is inexcusable for me.
I wonder how many engineers who worked with Honda on old spec engines now work for RBPT or Mercedes?

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Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
what does 90% reliable mean?

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Macklaren wrote:
20 Feb 2026, 17:12
Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
what does 90% reliable mean?
Aston Martin is on 10%

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Newey taking the role of TD makes sense now if they had to free up Cowell to address the problems in Sakura.

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Aston Martin is the new “Andrea Moda”
Except for the money

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Seeing the progress of Audi and Haas, which is the only thing that gives me hope, I've started to think that Honda designed its engine with too much of a weight-to-mass margin. In other words, they made a "heavy" engine to try and guarantee reliability at the beginning. But the result has been exactly the opposite: they've ended up with a fragile engine.

That would be the most optimistic option, I admit. But all the other options, also taking into account the diversity of choices with the new regulations, are much worse. If the engine is solely responsible for the lack of performance, that wouldn't be so bad.
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wiktor977 wrote:
20 Feb 2026, 17:08
emp wrote:
20 Feb 2026, 16:39
diffuser wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 22:33



We don't know much, Could even be a fuel problem.
Aged badly.

Sadly for F1, Honda is again underprepared. I didn't think that Newey can turn a whole organisation overnight into a winner, but a repeat of 2015 considering that Honda had a good engine in 2025 is inexcusable for me.
I wonder how many engineers who worked with Honda on old spec engines now work for RBPT or Mercedes?
none of the people from R&D Honda Sukura left. How many got reassigned back to this project. I don't know. The old PU was 100% designed in Japan.

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Macklaren wrote:
20 Feb 2026, 17:12
Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
what does 90% reliable mean?

It will Not finish 1 in 10 races/qualifying/practice sessions because of the PU. So if you have 3 FPs, a quali and a race in 1 race weekend ...I presume they'll have a failure once every 2 weekends. Although you do tend to push the PU harder in Quali and races ...
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emp wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:45
Ashwinv16 wrote:
12 Feb 2026, 20:39
Just a reminder this isn't the engine Honda will be racing with. They still haven't homologated their engines and the final engine and battery spec will only be fitted in Melbourne. There will be reliability issues but Honda is calming by then the engine will be 90% reliable. So lets see.
I am willing to make a bet that the engine will be *that* bad this year. If they have so many small problems, you can't tell anyone that the engine will be good next month when this month is extremely underwhelming.

Development doesn't happen over night in F1 and no sane manufacturer goes to limited testing with their lesser spec engine because track testing is invaluable. Ask Honda and their oil pump.
Mmmmm ... :wtf:
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Honda is the convenient whipping boy but the gear box is Aston's and that looks like it has serious issues along with Newey's overoptimistic packaging of the rear end.. The car's handling looks dreadful and that is most certainly not Honda's doing.

There was a video of Newey looking absolutely crestfallen outside their motor home in deep discussion with the Strolls.

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The only really big PU change is using the ICE to power the MGU-K to recharge the battery. Everything else should be the same. Removing the MGU-H and the CR things makes it simpler. So if they're having a problem there ok. Everything else should be, minor design changes. So I don't get it...Maybe that's one of the reason they've been so slow, not regenerating enough in curves.

Anyways , not gonna change anything, no matter how much I babble away here.