Also: Nissan's luxury brand Infiniti is already sponsoring Red Bull. chances are small Nissan would go anything beyond that.rxtreme8 wrote:good point. I was not aware that they were in an alliance together so I had to look it up.raymondu999 wrote:Aren't they owned in large part by Renault anyway?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault-Nissan_Alliance
There you go talking common sense again JT. It has no place in F1 and you know that.Jersey Tom wrote:If F1 were a more viable undertaking maybe we'd see more teams and suppliers interested, rather than shying away.
Toyota spent four years developing the car before joining in 2002. They never achieved anything.piast9 wrote:Whichever the new team would be isn't it the high time for taking some actions concerning joining F1 in 2014? You have to have time for get things started and to develop a car.
I also wonder what would happen if more than one team applied for 2014?
Bernie perspective is always about money. And I agree with him that there is really a limit to how many teams you could expect to survive in F1 as there is just not enough prize money and TV time to go around and no F1 team can survive in F1 for long without prize money.turbof1 wrote:He has been saying that since ages; those words only hold little value anymore.
IMO, more teams are always welcome, but they have to be competitive. And apparently new teams have huge difficulties to get to that point. The issue is that they literally had to start from scratch: they had to find infrastructure, personel, know-how,... . Caterham seems to be getting on top of that now, Marussia also. But it took them 3 years to do so; way too long. That should be only 1 year.
There would be more than enough prize money to go around if teams demand more than 50% of the profitsCHT wrote:Bernie perspective is always about money. And I agree with him that there is really a limit to how many teams you could expect to survive in F1 as there is just not enough prize money and TV time to go around and no F1 team can survive in F1 for long without prize money.turbof1 wrote:He has been saying that since ages; those words only hold little value anymore.
IMO, more teams are always welcome, but they have to be competitive. And apparently new teams have huge difficulties to get to that point. The issue is that they literally had to start from scratch: they had to find infrastructure, personel, know-how,... . Caterham seems to be getting on top of that now, Marussia also. But it took them 3 years to do so; way too long. That should be only 1 year.
To make up the numbers, perhaps teams should be asked to run 3 cars, with the 3rd seat reserve only for rookie or junior drivers.
Sure the top teams will be asking why should they split the extra prize money when they are the one doing all the work and providing all the excitement, while the smaller teams are just there to make up the numbers.WilliamsF1 wrote:There would be more than enough prize money to go around if teams demand more than 50% of the profits
That post is just plain nonsense - Infinity = Nissan's Brand which is partly owned and run by the same CEO as Renaultrxtreme8 wrote:Hopefully Nissan (by way of Infiniti) are getting pumped up, given their new title relationship with Red Bull. And I don't see Red Bull ditching a proven supplier like Renault to for untested Infiniti engines unless the turbo deals materialize, so Red Bull could just be the stepping stone for Infiniti to jump off of or buy out RBR.
Nissan is not shy when it comes to upper echelons of motorsport. Out of the japanese racing contingency at LeMans over past few decades,they are of the few that regularly compete and bring new technology to the sport. Its been a decade now since their dabbles in IndyCar and IndyLights, i think it's time for them to take it to the top.
By that logic EPL could do with just the top 5 teams.CHT wrote:Sure the top teams will be asking why should they split the extra prize money when they are the one doing all the work and providing all the excitement, while the smaller teams are just there to make up the numbers.WilliamsF1 wrote:There would be more than enough prize money to go around if teams demand more than 50% of the profits
plus if prize money is guaranteed in all F1 teams, then I am sure back marker will be happy to remain at the back as long as they are within the 107% rule.
personally I think the if a team doesnt have the budget to run a proper F1 team, they should just stick with GP2 or some other cheaper formula.
EPL format is different because they need X number of teams in order to have enough games to play through the entire season. Of course there will be no prejudice, just want to make a point that there is no need to compromise the quality of F1 to accommodate the existence of new teams. Having customer cars is in a way compromising the quality of F1.WilliamsF1 wrote:By that logic EPL could do with just the top 5 teams.CHT wrote:Sure the top teams will be asking why should they split the extra prize money when they are the one doing all the work and providing all the excitement, while the smaller teams are just there to make up the numbers.WilliamsF1 wrote:There would be more than enough prize money to go around if teams demand more than 50% of the profits
plus if prize money is guaranteed in all F1 teams, then I am sure back marker will be happy to remain at the back as long as they are within the 107% rule.
personally I think the if a team doesnt have the budget to run a proper F1 team, they should just stick with GP2 or some other cheaper formula.
There should be no prejudice against any new team joining if they could meet the entry criteria of 107%.
If f1 wants to tweak the 107 to 105 they are welcome to do so. If customer cars are to be allowed (barring from he top the wcc teams) they are welcome to do so too. But saying some number is sufficient is un called for.
