The biggest slime ball in F1

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LionKing wrote:Valencia 2010: Vettel wins while Webber crashes into Kovalainen while he was out of point scoring positions.
Turkey 2010. Vettel DNFs while passing Webber and Webber finishes 3rd.
The phrasing here alone exposes your bias. "Webber crashes into...", "Vettel DNFs..."

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beelsebob wrote:
LionKing wrote:Valencia 2010: Vettel wins while Webber crashes into Kovalainen while he was out of point scoring positions.
Turkey 2010. Vettel DNFs while passing Webber and Webber finishes 3rd.
The phrasing here alone exposes your bias. "Webber crashes into...", "Vettel DNFs..."
agreed

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This thread was started with what I find to be a very racist post. Coupled with the title given by the initiator, i find it offensive. Mods, please remove this nasty thread.

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Lol how is that racist?
it might be offensive to Austrians, but its not racist. For all we know Mark might have Austrian ancestry.
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beelsebob wrote:
LionKing wrote:Valencia 2010: Vettel wins while Webber crashes into Kovalainen while he was out of point scoring positions.
Turkey 2010. Vettel DNFs while passing Webber and Webber finishes 3rd.
The phrasing here alone exposes your bias. "Webber crashes into...", "Vettel DNFs..."
The post of a person who has nothing to say about the message content :)

If you notice, I have also written "Spa 2010: Vettel crashes into Button."

Thank god "my bias" does not change F1 results or history....

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LionKing wrote:
Spacepace wrote:There was times in the past Webber was beating Vettel on points and on pure pace(2010 and early this year). Then suddenly the cars direction in development changes and Vettel is out pacing Webber. Vettel likes a car he can throw around but not having to worry about the rear end going out. My other point was how many times his Kers miraculously failed in qualifying and gearboxes were failing. My point here is Marko is only their to give Vettel the biggest advantage he can. In doing so he makes it very hard to like Vettel when he defends him like he's his mother.

The only time you see a smile out of these old grouch is when Vettel gets pole or is on the podium. I would very much appreciate it if FOM would just not film this idiot.
Even when the car was bad at the beginning of 2012, Vettel was often the faster driver in races. He was the one who took the fight to McLaren in Austalia (first podium of RBR), faster at wet Malaysia, first win of RBR at Bahrain, etc. Webber did relatively better in qualy than his previous performance. In first half of 2012 it was 5-5 in qualy, much better than 4-1 ratio he has been cumulatively outqualified before.

In 2010 Webber was thorughly outraced apart from a few races too. Only reliability issues prevented Vettel making a hat trick of the first three races. As I said Vettel has been better than Webber pre DD-post DD, pre EBD, post EBD.

Recap of 2010. There were 19 races in 2010:
Vettel and Webber have both finished together in 14 of 19 races. Vettel has beaten Webber in 10 of those and Webber in 4. One of those 4 races was Hungary, when Vettel got a penalty under SF trying to help his teammate. Webber won the race and Vettel finished 3rd there. Webber was genuinely better than Vettel in Spain and Monaco, Silverstone...

5 remaining races:
Korea 2010 : Vettel retires from lead with engine failure close to the end of the race. Webber doesn't last long in wet and crashes at the beginn...
Australia 2010: Vettel DNFs with mechanical problem from the lead.
Valencia 2010: Vettel wins while Webber crashes into Kovalainen while he was out of point scoring positions.
Turkey 2010. Vettel DNFs while passing Webber and Webber finishes 3rd.
Spa 2010: Vettel crashes into Button. As usual he was in front of Webber at that time.

Webber gets his 3-4 races in a season over Vettel, usually his favorite tracks. That is about as good as he can do...
Very good post. Let me just add some stuff to further proove your point.
"Webber was genuinely better than Vettel in Spain and Monaco, Silverstone..."
Nope, Vettel raced all those races with at the time undiscovered damage to his chassis and this was sole reason webber outpaced him. After they fixed it, webber was nowhere to be found again. In turkey vettel had damaged rear anti-roll bar in quali and thats why he was 3rd on the grid. Based on the past races in 2010, there is no reason to belive vettel wouldnt be on pole had his car been in top shape.
Fact is, over the last 3 years, you may find 3-4 races max where webber was genuinly faster than vettel. Him being n2 is the only logical thing.

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gilgen wrote:This thread was started with what I find to be a very racist post. Coupled with the title given by the initiator, i find it offensive. Mods, please remove this nasty thread.
Racist? How? Spacespace hasn't in my opinion said anything racist.
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Spacepace wrote:...
Have you only just realised there are team orders in F1?

There are more outrageous examples of team orders than Vettel-Webber.

ps - Go easy on the language or you'll have a short stay here.