German GP

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Scuderia_Russ
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Hope you have a great weekend. Say hello to Micky S for me. :wink:
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mep
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I'll also be there.
I have cards for the Nordtribüne.
And I will take some photos, especially after the race, when the
cars are in the Parc Ferme.

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andyF1
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Well as I work @ F1, I guess it doesn't count as I'm at every race!

The biggest issue at the moment here in Hockenheim is wether Renault will use their "Mass Damper" system that was banned last week by the FIA but on submitting their 3rd car for scruteneering at the track was passed as "legal" by the local race stewards!

Now the FIA has appealed against that decision and that will only be decided next week.

This means that if Renault or any other teams use a "mass damper" system in the qualifying / race they could be later disqualified should the FIA win their appeal!

Nothing more political / confusing than rules!

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Scuderia_Russ
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andyF1 wrote:Well as I work @ F1,
Please tell us more.
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Scuderia_Russ wrote:
andyF1 wrote:Well as I work @ F1,
Please tell us more.
I'm all ears too 8-[

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Ciro Pabón
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andyF1 wrote:This means that if Renault or any other teams use a "mass damper" system in the qualifying / race they could be later disqualified should the FIA win their appeal!

Nothing more political / confusing than rules!
andyF1, first of all, welcome to this forum!

Now, how can that be? Rulings are not retroactive and they have a positive rule from the stewards for this weekend. It wouldn't be confusing, it would be blatantly unjust, my friend. Are you totally sure about it? Please, say yes: I could rant for two or three pages, I bet... :wink:
Ciro

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Principessa
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Hi everybody,

Tomba and Principessa live from Hockenheim :P
A bit of rain today, but for the rest sun,sun,sun (and sunburn)
The pitwalk yesterday was great and Tomba and I made it into the box of Red Bull and Midland for a few minutes :wink: ! It was amazing and we have a lot of pictures already! It's really amazing and we hope that it will be tomorrow as well!

btw: Hopefully Alonso wins...we're surrounded by Ferrari and Schumi fans!! He only come out the 2nd free practice and everybody was cheering and standing up as he came by!

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mep
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I just finished packing and I'll leave tomorow morning to Hockenheim.

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Tom
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Watch out for 2 blue dots among a sea of red, it'll be Principessa and Tomba.
Murphy's 9th Law of Technology:
Tell a man there are 300 million stars in the universe and he'll believe you. Tell him a bench has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch to be sure.

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Poor you :lol:

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mep
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Watch out for 2 blue dots among a sea of red, it'll be Principessa and Tomba
They must be easy to find.

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Ciro Pabón
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mep wrote:They must be easy to find.
What I find easy is to cheer with them!
Ciro

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andyF1
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Ciro Pabón wrote:
andyF1 wrote:This means that if Renault or any other teams use a "mass damper" system in the qualifying / race they could be later disqualified should the FIA win their appeal!

Nothing more political / confusing than rules!
andyF1, first of all, welcome to this forum!

Now, how can that be? Rulings are not retroactive and they have a positive rule from the stewards for this weekend. It wouldn't be confusing, it would be blatantly unjust, my friend. Are you totally sure about it? Please, say yes: I could rant for two or three pages, I bet... :wink:
Quote from Autosport.com
"The team will now face a difficult decision about whether to take them off the cars and lose performance, or keep them on and risk further action if the FIA appeal is successful."

As the FIA had already banned the device and it's actually the race scrutineers that have overridden that decision, I guess if the FIA appeal is upheld then they could say the original ban stands and remove points from anyone using the system this race.

It's all a moot point tho as :-

"Renault have removed the mass damper system from their car, and will not refit it again until after the FIA appeal hearing into the matter."
credit Autosport.com Friday PM

For an explanation of the offending system (from f1.com)
"Not new, but the subject of much controversy in Germany, the damper takes the form of a free-moving mass inside a vertical spring. Its function is to reduce the sensitivity of the car's front end to differing load variations between high- and low-speed sections of the track, and to counteract the negative effects of rebound over kerbs, so as to keep the car perfectly balanced and hence - indirectly - improve its aerodynamic efficiency. The FIA has contested its legality on the basis that no parts exerting an aerodynamic influence may be mobile. However, the German stewards found no problem with it - a decision the FIA has appealed against. Hence, Renault could race with the system this weekend, but are thought unlikely to take the risk."
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andyF1
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To all of you attending the GP, have a great time. I'm there also but as I said b4 I work here. No it's not "the best job in the world" although I will not complain. I work in TV and therefore most of the time I am sat in a truck watching all the action on a monitor instead of seeing it out on the track.

If anyone walks past the TV compound, (behind the main grandstand almost opposite the pits) you will see a big truck with the symbol for TeleCinco (Spanish tv). Thats where I am. I'm English but working for Spanish TV so I have to support Alonso (also I am sick of MSC).

To the rest I will try and provide as much info as possible and maybe some nice photos. :D

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Jason
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Alonso to win from 7th? I'll say 4/10, he'll have to face 2 difficult to pass Hondas, 2 very quick Ferrari's and not to mention Kimi Raikkonen. Birthday boy's chance to win German GP is 4/10. :P
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