2024 F1 season - General Discussion

[FW17]

Red Bull has two powertrain companies.

As of Dec 2023 one had 439 employees and turnover of 184 million pounds, the other had 166 employees and a turnover of 60 million pounds

Together that is 605 employees and turnover (in 2023) of 244 million pounds (300 million dollars) put together since February 2022

[Cs98]

Red Bull has two powertrain companies.

As of Dec 2023 one had 439 employees and turnover of 184 million pounds, the other had 166 employees and a turnover of 60 million pounds

Together that is 605 employees and turnover (in 2023) of 244 million pounds (300 million dollars) put together since February 2022

Doesn't seem unrealistic at all that 200 of those staff came from HPP given the proximity of the two teams. HPP would've been target #1 for any recruitment drive given they have had top performance historically and there are no re-location issues for staff like there are with Ferrari, Renault, and Honda.

[Espresso]

Shocking that the great Toto allowed 220 of his staff to be poached by Red Bull

Does anyone actually believe that? 220 people out of an organisation of just over 500?

I thinks you mix up the F1 division (under the budget cap) with the engine/power-train divison (under development restrictions). 220 staf out of 1000+ ain’t that crazy if folks can proceed quite reliably within their career.

[purestpurist]

This might be the wrong place, but since Magnussen's risk of a ban is a hot topic: what if the FIA delineated certain offenses as race ban-worthy and one of those would be required to trigger a race ban in conjunction with penalty points received? A driver would have to receive a certain # of penalty points, after which (or along with, if the threshold is reached by such a penalty) the next designated ban penalty triggers a raceban.

[PlatinumZealot]

I got a vision guys. Leclerc is winning the 2024 driver's championship. Where can I place my bets?

[chrisc90]

I got a vision guys. Leclerc is winning the 2024 driver's championship. Where can I place my bets?

Bet365 @ 8/1 odds.

[Vanja #66]

What are your opinions on the season so far as we enter the summer break? Let's set up a few questions to poll

- The most improved team after the end of 2023:
- The most improved driver after the end of 2023:

- The biggest positive surprise (team):
- The biggest positive surprise (driver):

- The biggest negative surprise (team):
- The biggest negative surprise (driver):

- The team that maximised their results:
- The team that underperformed/disappointed the most:

- The driver that maximised his results:
- The driver that underperformed/disappointed the most:

I will start

- The most improved team after the end of 2023: Haas
- The most improved driver after the end of 2023: Tsunoda

- The biggest positive surprise (team): VCARB (Haas close 2nd)
- The biggest positive surprise (driver): Tsunoda (Hulk close 2nd)

- The biggest negative surprise (team): Sauber (AMR close 2nd)
- The biggest negative surprise (driver): Bottas

- The team that maximised their results: Ferrari (would be Mercedes without Russell Spa DSQ)
- The team that underperformed the most: McLaren

- The driver that maximised his results: Verstappen (Hamilton and Leclerc share close 2nd)
- The driver that underperformed the most: Norris

[Just_a_fan]

Other than non-fault DNFs, only Max and Lewis have finished every race in the points so far this season (both failing to finish in Australia because of mechanical failures).

[organic]

Technical regs have just been adjusted mid-season. Most interesting is change to regulation regarding asymmetrical braking maps

[Watto]

Be interesting to see which teams that is directed at, assuming it is

[Just_a_fan]

Be interesting to see which teams that is directed at, assuming it is

One team is rumoured to have been told to remove something from their car. That same team has been notably less competitive since that alleged change.

[AR3-GP]

In 2022, Mercedes struggled with separating brake disc temperatures which caused their car to pull to one side under braking.

Hamilton also suffered from a brake issue, which team principal Toto Wolff later admitted was a "big" issue that needed solving over the winter.

"I had some brake problems," Hamilton added. "We've had it most of the year, with the brake discs separating at brake temperature.

"So when you hit the brake the car pulls in one direction. Going into Turn 5, the cars pulling to the right and it's a left-hand corner, so it's not ideal."

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433 ... qualifying


Ferrari also had this problem at the season opener in Bahrain.

"The team told me on the radio that it was more than 100 degrees split between from front right and front left, which is huge.

"At that moment, I understood that the best thing I could do was just to bring the car home to the chequered flag.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/lecle ... /10582425/

There are grounds for suspicion of both of the teams given that there were documented temperature separation issues that could have been caused by or mitigated by such a system.

You could also just consider which cars were good under braking and which cars struggled under the braking. Ferrari and Aston Martin were always good under braking. Red Bull was always weak under braking. A car running this kind of system would have stood out in the brake zones.

You can chase ghost at many teams.

[Jurgen von Diaz]

Be interesting to see which teams that is directed at, assuming it is

One team is rumoured to have been told to remove something from their car. That same team has been notably less competitive since that alleged change.

Aston Martin?

[101FlyingDutchman]

Is this the fabled “brake magic on/off”?

[Watto]

Be interesting to see which teams that is directed at, assuming it is

One team is rumoured to have been told to remove something from their car. That same team has been notably less competitive since that alleged change.

Aston Martin?

I think referring to Red Bull.
The rumors were around their suspension though. Its possible but I wonder why we're only heading about this now? Certainly it could explain the drop off they have had.

I guess I was wondering if t was McLaren or Merc that have suddenly found a lot of pace through the season.