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I can't remember Ferrari having so many reliability issues during preseason testing durign the 2000-2004 winning years...This is what I'm worried most, not the preseason testing pace. The reliabilities issues combined with bad weather mean less mileage and testing miles. That engine blow in Japan last year was a heavy strike...
"It is necessary to relax your muscles when you can. Relaxing your brain is fatal." Stirling Moss
I tried this and I had understeer, I tried that and I had oversteer, at the end of the corner I just run out of talent
zenvision wrote:I think they had a pretty eventful testing season last year did they?
Last year was not very successful on terms of reliability...Remember the Malaysia fiasko...4 Ferrari engines...
In China MAssa had problem, and MS in Japan...
"It is necessary to relax your muscles when you can. Relaxing your brain is fatal." Stirling Moss
I tried this and I had understeer, I tried that and I had oversteer, at the end of the corner I just run out of talent
mika vs michael wrote:I can't remember Ferrari having so many reliability issues during preseason testing durign the 2000-2004 winning years...This is what I'm worried most, not the preseason testing pace. The reliabilities issues combined with bad weather mean less mileage and testing miles. That engine blow in Japan last year was a heavy strike...
i'd disagree with u on that... remember the f2002 and f2003ga didn't race until the second or the third round of the season... i remember that the f2002 had some major gearbox issues before the start of the season
They had trouble with torsional vibrations, snapping cams left and right in 2001 preseason testing but that didn't stop them from taking the championship.
again someone just couldn't help it but mclaren bash in this post..getting abit sickening now days to see it in every single forum topic i read..tifosi, whoever your source maybe, its testing. No one knows what the other team is really doing and testing out until the team really says..so how on earth can he say mclaren is slow and ferrari is fast now..if he is that short sighted, i would ask him to go look at the test times and test laps. i think so far each MP4-22 chassis has done more laps then any other car out there...thats a world of difference when you see Ferrari sputtering after a few laps and waiting till after lunch time to continue. And the laptimes sure as hell seem to always show Mclaren always either top or somewhere near the top..so for your short sighted source, dosen't that mean Mclaren is getting closer to a winning car and Ferrari is digging in the mudd?
well this is my view, since we're talking about Ferrari i'll stick to that. I would say not good. Even though we don't know for a fact if the problem is self-induced or really a technical glitch, no team would diliberately one to cos that big of a problem and limit the ammount of laps they do on track,cos the more laps you do the more testing you get out it. Ferrari is gonna really have a problem cos they can't really work out the setup for the car and further aero or other development cos of this lack of laps = poor understanding of the car..and if it is and induced problem..it wouldn't take them morning till after lunch to get the car done (yes i'm accounting for the fact it showred until 3pm..but official report says car was only finished repaired at or after lunch time). it will take a short while or they will let it happen towards the end of the testing day like with what Mclaren has done. And for kimi to face the exact same problem on the same day..hmmm..rather pacuilier. Honestly..the testing pre-season is not going good for Ferrari, and with only about a month left time is really running out..but who knows whats gonna happen at the end when the lights go green at OZ?
i personally think its that compact back of Ferrari's. by far the F2007 IMO has the most compact back of the grid..and the trend of the problems they are facing, could it be cooling issue? no way for the heat to be dissapated and too much build up around engine and components? It seemed to be the problem with the Mclaren MP4-18 when it came out with the supersmall backend the last time.
@ tetopelis, i cant say i see any mclaren bashing at all, i just re-read every single post on this subject and i didnt see/read a single bad comment on mclaren, but if you're a mclaren fan, as i can see that you most likely are, my comment on "to finish first, first you have to finish" might have seemed like "mclaren bashing", but i guarantee you it wasnt, as it is a true statement, out of the front runners it has been mclaren with the most DNF's over the past few seasons, we all know the reason why Kimi decided to jump ship and head to Ferrari, mclarens reliability issues, well more like mercedes engine issues, but still, the team in the front with the most reliability issues has to be mclaren, so there really is no specific mclaren bashing, you can read carefully through all the posts and you will find PLENTY of Ferrari bashing, so get over it please, as we all have learned to do so as well, and as we have all said before, this is only pre-season testing, we will have to wait until March 18 to see Ferrari at the top, for now mclaren or whoever can top the time sheets, its of no importance at the moment,
mclaren have been the "fastest" for the most part of pre-season testing, but as we will come to find out, they will not resolve their problems when they have the opportunity to do so, they will get hampered by the issues they avoided later on in the season, when alonso is leading but comes to a stop all of a sudden due to an engine failure or an electrical fire(Raikkonen-o6 Monaco),
you have to admit though, you did walk yourself into a Prancing Horse stomping ground, so i dont know what you expected really
manchild wrote:Try adding all engine blows Ferrari had during testing in previous 10 years and you'll start fearing that blows they are having right now are definitely not intentional "testing the limits" kind of thing especially since RPM's are limited to 19k.
Yes, but you have to remember that towards the end of the '06 season, the 056 Ferrari V8 was one of the higher-revving V8s. Limiting it to 19,000rpm requires complicated adjustments, such as mechanically re-tuning the valve timings and the injection timing has to be electronically re-tuned.
certainly the rear of the ferrari appears to be rather trick as has been highlighted over and over - suggestion about it getting a bit hot like the MP4/18 seem to me to be quite likely. I certainly think that the Ferrari is a bit different to everyuthing else though until the first race its hard to say whether they have gone the right way. McLaren does seem to have the pace on it too.
manchild wrote:Try adding all engine blows Ferrari had during testing in previous 10 years and you'll start fearing that blows they are having right now are definitely not intentional "testing the limits" kind of thing especially since RPM's are limited to 19k.
For pete's sake man you bloody irritating f*****t! Almost every post you make is against Ferrari, Schumacher etc.? Why? I would like to remind you that Ferrari is still the most succesfull team in F1! And ceratinly in the last 10 years! Fine if you don't like Ferrari and love Renault but do get your fact's right before posting something!
Just go away man if you don't have anything sensible to say !
Ps. If you intended to be sarcastic please let us know before trying to!
wow...and here i tot i was bad when i said something about mclaren bashing..haha..just for the record..it was a point of view tifosi..not fanaticism...i think i just let my irritation get the better of me..cos been seeing alot of it in alot of threads..but like i said, i let my irritation get abit the better of me.
hahaha..dude.chill out. i think manchild did give a good view and there is nothing sarcastic about it. i doubt he is hating on ferrari. he just gave a senible point of view..i don't see any ferrari defaming in his statement. all he said was considering ferrari's remarkable reliability engine side that they have had for so long, it seems wierd that there are so many engine related problems now?
so cool it man
Interesting opinions. Personally I have no trouble recognizing the sarcasm of MC. Perhaps it's not bias at all, just the insight of a long term statesman admiring F1 over many years. It would not be interesting if we all admired all marques and drivers equally. It would'nt be human nature. It's possible that MC does not express bias or sarcasm but that elements of his posts actually evoke the inherent insecuruties of some. They recruit considerable comment from Ferrari admirers and actually attract a number of members to our forum. I really don't understand the extreme sensitivity of some Ferrari enthusiasts - after all the team has experienced some success over the last few years. I have noticed his posts are never of a personal nature and are always civil.
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