The stillborn McLaren V12 Lambo project

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Fascinating story. Thanks for sharing that with us. =D>
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Matt,
Thank you. The Nyberg article has most of its facts correct except for 2 that stand out as being incorrect:

Firstly. as I said earlier, Mauro was replaced by Francois Castaing around Thanksgiving 1991.

Secondly, the Lamborghini engine used Bosch electronic for the 1992 and 1993 seasons. McLaren insisted on TAG electronics for the CL-01A engine in the MP4/8B. (The CL-01A was the designation of the McLaren version as it had an additional oil reservoir in the vee of the engine that was not there for the 1993 Larrousse version.) This change to TAG caused Kim Lyon, our calibration engineer from Chrysler, all sorts of heartache. Kim wrote a couple of SAE papers on his work at LE.

The past 20 years have flown by. But maybe someday soon, we will write the definitive book on Lamborghini Engineering before we all die of old age!

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I remember having read about mclaren insisting on TAG electronics for that test ..I think it was published in autosport mag.

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a bit of research has just about convinced me that this late 80s F1 V12 named after Chrysler-owned Lamborghini
was not related to the winning F1 former Matra V12 named after Chrysler-owned Simca, then ditto Talbot on the early 80s

but also led me to the statement that the 1964-5 winning Honda F1 V12 transverse power pack was designed (like the Lamborghini Muira transverse power pack) by persons who left Ferrari en masse around 62-3
I knew that there was in 63 a F1 V12 transverse power pack exhibited under the Maserati name
Honda did have a lot on at the time

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Tommy Cookers wrote:a bit of research has just about convinced me that this late 80s F1 V12 named after Chrysler-owned Lamborghini
was not related to the winning F1 former Matra V12 named after Chrysler-owned Simca, then ditto Talbot on the early 80s
...
Whatever gave you the idea that they were, to begin with, they were 20 years apart?
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Maserati Tipo 8/F-1
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This experimental engine was designed and built in 1963 and developed in 1964 to run in the F1 World Championship reserved for the 1½-litre single-seater. The 60° V-12 engine with a six-speed gearbox/differential unit built into the crankcase was designed to be mounted in a transverse rear position, a really unusual and new design for those times. As for the 1966 GP season the new 3-litre formula was introduced, the project was abandoned but this Maserati technical choice was adopted by Honda for its F1 car RA272 and by Lamborghini for its Miura.

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http://www.maseraticlub.co.uk/motori.htm

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Honda RA272

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVI9_hDd ... sGjd3W2eO8

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