Is Kimi becoming the new Mark Webber?

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djos wrote:The amazing part is tho he has always outperformed every single one of his team mates including DC who is a great driver.
This year yes - but not last year. He may often have qualified ahead of DC, and was robbed of a couple of big points finishes, but DC was by far the stronger racer over the season and had his own fair share of bad reliability.

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myurr wrote:
djos wrote:The amazing part is tho he has always outperformed every single one of his team mates including DC who is a great driver.
This year yes - but not last year. He may often have qualified ahead of DC, and was robbed of a couple of big points finishes, but DC was by far the stronger racer over the season and had his own fair share of bad reliability.
DC may have scored more points last year but ONLY due to Webber suffering a bunch of mechanical DNF's when in points paying positions.
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djos wrote:DC may have scored more points last year but ONLY due to Webber suffering a bunch of mechanical DNF's when in points paying positions.
If memory serves so did DC.

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hermanito wrote:Kimi is fast but he isn't the fastest. Almost four pilot are better than him.

1)Alonso
2)Hamilton
3)Vettel
4)Kubica

Kimi is world champion cause Ferrari was fastest car last year.
And a huge part goes to Hamiltons lack of expierence last year. He won the tittle by one point. If Lewis Had not screwed himself in china... he would have captured the WDC. Kimi is good driver but not consistant.

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Mr. Raikkonen is a great driver, one that will go into history. Besides, he probably is the person in F1 with more misspellings of his last name. ;)

Few, if any, can make more of a car on grinded tyres with no fuel, as his lap times prove clearly. You have to explain this impressive dominance before muttering any "but" or "if" or "worse than" or "not that fast":

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He's a genius, an artist, one of those that somehow were born for what they do. We have a grid now that has at least three of them (Alonso and Hamilton, for example), not counting Mark Webber. ;)

Now that Hamilton is admired by how fast he mastered his car (and he deserves it!), I feel I have to remind the forum that Raikkonnen actually jumped into an F1 car after driving a Formula Renault.

A mechanic ruined last Ferrari race, true, but that does not mean he's less of a driver. He's having the "horrible year", he will recover.

He's also the highest paid driver in history, which talks volumes about his coolness in a world of financial sharks, but that's not what I like about him.

What I like about Raikkonen are few things, but they have a place in my soul... :)

I like when he raced at Monaco kart race, his steering wheel broke and he continued racing (like Tazio Nuvolari during the Mille Miglia) while waving the steering wheel (unlike Tazio, I imagine) along the main straight. :D

Next kart race at Monaco he took the wrong side of the fence until he found the end of the road. Then, he lifted his kart to the other side of the fence and continued racing, finishing third.

I liked when he overtook Fisichella in the last lap at Suzuka.

I liked when he went to a strip club and stripped himself, to the embarrassment of McLaren.

I liked when he said that he wishes to move to WRC.

I like when he fall asleep until 30 minutes before his first GP.

I like that he is probably the guy that more McLarens has broken (over 30 I'd say). I don't know if Ron Dennis finally understood.... :lol:

I like (very much!) that his father is a road builder, like, ehem, me. 8)
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Dont forget that he scored a point on debut :!:
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Ciro Pabón wrote:Mr. Raikkonen is a great driver, one that will go into history. Besides, he probably is the person in F1 with more misspellings of his last name. ;)
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Now that Hamilton is admired by how fast he mastered his car (and he deserves it!), I feel I have to remind the forum that Raikkonnen actually jumped into an F1 car after driving a Formula Renault.
One more. :)
We could stick to Kimi, even though I've seen Kimmi too, hopeless these nordic names.

What about the fastest laps of last year?

I believe he is great, and he is consistent, apart from this year. But what really annoys me is when he is stuck behind someone and not even try to pass. When he pulled that move on Fisichella in Suzuka I was amazed. Usually he just stays behind someone for laps and laps waiting to see if he can pass during pit stops, then comes with the "it's hard to follow someone in the turbulence" talk. I know it is hard, but he gives the impression he did not even care to try.

Anyway, 1X WDC, 2X 2nd. Not for everyone.

What I really don't get about Webber is why he never ended up in a top team. His quali performances with Jaguar were amazing. Hope RBR gets him somewhere next year.
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Nice post, Ciro. I didn't know about some of those things. Kimi is very likable driver for being kinda old school compared to the moderd trying-hard-to-be-sponsor-friendly drivers.

He's has always ben unlucky though. This year is no different, while the last year was an exception. And after what happened at Spa he indeed turned in favor of all or nothing approach not having much of a chance otherwise. And it has been nothing so far. I'm curiuos to see him on the slicks next year.
Beemer4 wrote:Dont forget that he scored a point on debut :!:
Webber scored two points on his debut (for Minardi) same place next year :wink:
We never seen him driving a car better than degrading Williams or RBR.

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Kimi can't be great if he keeps sliding out so much..

I used to respect him but not anymore..

He is just not the best.. The only man I see that really know how to control the car this year is Hamilton..
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Nice post, Ciro. Good to see some factual input in this particular thread!

Kimi is a great one. Only the very best can be a WDC and he will be remembered for blinding speed and strength in the face of adversity. I think of him as a sort of Gilles Villeneuve, but with a little more self-control.

Much as I like him, though, I can not help but think he will not see out his contract at Ferrari. I know he has a contract, but we all know how little a contract can mean in F1. Ferrari might take the easy path - replace the driver rather than several others who might be the real cause of this year's disappointment.
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Oh, and FWIW, IMHO, Webber is not good enough to be compared to Kimi. Bad luck, no luck - put them in equal cars and Kimi will win.
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I think Webber has shown what he is capable of on numerous occasions. I really wish he was driving for Ferrari alongside Kimi. And Massa. Oh, and Kubica, Alonso and Vettel. Would sure love to have Fisichella and Trulli along as well (yes, Fisichella). And Rossi *sigh*. Maybe Loeb? And Schumi as a test driver!!!!

Seriously now, I think the whole topic is wrong: Kimi is Kimi and Webber is Webber. How can Kimi become the new Webber? They are both great drivers, but so so different in many ways. Which is only natural!
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myurr wrote:
djos wrote:DC may have scored more points last year but ONLY due to Webber suffering a bunch of mechanical DNF's when in points paying positions.
If memory serves so did DC.
Yes but my point was if you calculated their lost points on the positions they were in when they exited the race Webber would be in front by a country mile - lets not forget too that Webber would have won or got 2nd at the Japanese GP had Vettel been looking where he was going and not at Hamilton's antics behind the safety car - that missed bag of points alone would have put Webber well clear of DC.
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yzfr7 wrote: What I really don't get about Webber is why he never ended up in a top team. His quali performances with Jaguar were amazing. Hope RBR gets him somewhere next year.
The really annoying thing is Flavio (his manager) told him to come to Renault along side Nando but he wanted to go to Williams and the rest they say is history! :(
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Kimi pace during races are unquestionable, he is the highest ranked driver in fastest laps still active. But the problem with him is that he never seems to be able get the monkey off his back during crucial moments. Examples:

2002 France - out-braked himself and gave Schumacher the victory.
2003 Europe - was dominating the race until his engine blew
2004 Malaysia - was running 3rd until an engine-related problem struck(AGAIN)
2004 Germany - was catching Button and Michael until his rear wing broke
2005 San Marino - driveshaft failure...
2005 Europe - flat-spotted tyre blew on the LAST lap(ironcally FIA changed the tyre rules AFTER he crashed)
2005 France, Britain, Germany - all struck with hydraulics or engine-related troubles(AGAIN)
2006 Malaysia - smashed from behind by Klein