2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[Darth-Piekus]

Maybe the fact that you don't know anything about what's actually wrong (neither does anyone else) should be enough? Only time will tell what works how well on the car.

How do you explain this disaster? Honda managed after 7 years to fix their problems and build a good engine that got them constructors championships. How do you go from this back to step 0?

[f1Follower]

Is it wierd that new engine manufacturer like Audi and RBPT have better engines than Honda who has been in F1 for a far long time

[Ashwinv16]

Is it wierd that new engine manufacturer like Audi and RBPT have better engines than Honda who has been in F1 for a far long time

They also have the largest cooling and Audi has the most internal space in the sidepods of everyone letting the engine breath. Aston has the least cooling even with the gills. Especially the inlets are way too small and the body is too tightly packed for such a new engine.

I am also trying to find a picture which confirms that one of Hondas last minute change was to move the turbo from the V to the side. There was a picture on Twitter showing the engine cover fully open with the turbo packaged tightly.

Edit: I was wrong but still very tightly packaged (unnecessarily......)

https://x.com/carpentiers_f1/status/202 ... 17955?s=20

[diffuser]

whatever it is Honda and AMR marriage is not going good. If it continues for next few years, then AMR will switch engine.....

- It is just the start.
- Honda can produce a good engine for 2027 and relationship will continue.

Still, having only one customer that is another car brand for Honda is weird.
I don't see Aston going back to being a customer team, and I don't see them do their own engine either

I hope you're right. I hope that Honda hasn't just put too many of their boy geniuses on the team for on the job training. They need enough of the old team back in here.

[vorticism]

Everybody's 2027 car is about to be revealed tomorrow. Are we excited?

Well, I hope you feel better than the likely whiplash from this comment would indicate.

This was a pretty disastrous test for AMR, even worse than the early MCL-Honda days.

I guess you've been saving this one. You are of course free to exhibitionize joke non-getting. I'll join you on the stage. My part will be to explain the joke that wasn't gotten afterward, which I will do so now. The joke is that of the Adrian Newey effect. To what extent is he responsible for the many RBR cars--rhetorical q. The expectation, rightly or wrongly, is that AMR as his new employer could bring the premiere aero/chassis design. See below.

Regardless of jokes and explanations of them: the power unit is not visible from the outside of the car, and Adrian Newey nor AMR designed it. So, beyond joke non-getting, we have some car design not-getting to contend with in your post. If the AMR26 aero or chassis is worth copying is hard to know at this point, because it would seem that the power unit is the weak link in thelr causal chain. I won't say if it is or not--I've only seen testing.

I only just got that joke.

[mzso]

I rationally explained why its psychologically understandable for any f1 driver, and especially one of his caliber to act the way he did under the given circumstances in 2015, which is overexaggareted in itself (couple of radio messages).

Here you are going off about "karma" and him "getting what he deserves" again . For me and everyone else
(even you) this can, with confidence, be interpreted as you being emotionally invested in a certain way. You dont have to deny it. Instead you can tell us what exactly it is in the spanish don that raises your cortisol for you to be so happy to announce that you are cheering for a legend of the sport to suffer.

Can you go ahead and objectively explain how his time at Mclaren and Ferrari has led to Aston Martins current situation, and how he has thus "reaped what he has sown" ?

You merely presented your romanticized view. It's not acceptable at all. And the paddock clearly felt that, seeing how his career went after Ferrari.
I don't have anything to deny. Stop projecting. I mere don't condone jerk behavior.

Can you go ahead and objectively explain how his time at Mclaren and Ferrari has led to Aston Martins current situation, and how he has thus "reaped what he has sown" ?

I didn't say that in any way... His burning of bridges and behavior at McLaren and Ferrari led to him being undesired by top teams, and a persistent downgrade of his career. So the only option left to him was an already fallen back McLaren, fresh off from political infighting and ousting of Dennis, who wanted a big name driver.
Then a few years after the same with Renault/Alpine. And now AM which never was near the top, so they also can't get a more popular driver. A ruined reputation is hard to shed, especially that key team figures are rarely new people.

[mzso]

Aston Martin and Adrian Newey are not doing themselves any favors by airing Honda's affairs here....That is absolutely one way to sour the relationship. What leaked from the F1 commmision meeting should not have leaked.

So every bit of rumor is a fact in your eyes?

[vorticism]

what were the examples of "burning of bridges and behavior at McLaren and Ferrari"?

[AR3-GP]

Aston Martin and Adrian Newey are not doing themselves any favors by airing Honda's affairs here....That is absolutely one way to sour the relationship. What leaked from the F1 commmision meeting should not have leaked.

So every bit of rumor is a fact in your eyes?

It's not a rumor. It was reported by Andrew Benson of BBC which means that it is true. Whether Newey was lying in order to gain a resource advantage or other competitive benefit is a separate question.

[mzso]

Kakuda explaining how this PU is nothing like the previous. Like Kakuda, there are still many of the key people in the F1 program from the previous era that were recruited or assigned back. I do wish we had Tanabe.
https://global.honda/en/F1/features/202 ... ry/kakuda/

Wasn't Asaki the lead during Honda's recovery?

[mzso]

Aston Martin and Adrian Newey are not doing themselves any favors by airing Honda's affairs here....That is absolutely one way to sour the relationship. What leaked from the F1 commmision meeting should not have leaked.

So every bit of rumor is a fact in your eyes?

It's not a rumor. It was reported by Andrew Benson of BBC which means that it is true. Whether Newey was lying in order to gain a resource advantage or other competitive benefit is a separate question.

Got it. So a rumor when repeated by someone from BBC becomes fact.

[wiktor977]

I rationally explained why its psychologically understandable for any f1 driver, and especially one of his caliber to act the way he did under the given circumstances in 2015, which is overexaggareted in itself (couple of radio messages).

Here you are going off about "karma" and him "getting what he deserves" again . For me and everyone else
(even you) this can, with confidence, be interpreted as you being emotionally invested in a certain way. You dont have to deny it. Instead you can tell us what exactly it is in the spanish don that raises your cortisol for you to be so happy to announce that you are cheering for a legend of the sport to suffer.

Can you go ahead and objectively explain how his time at Mclaren and Ferrari has led to Aston Martins current situation, and how he has thus "reaped what he has sown" ?

You merely presented your romanticized view. It's not acceptable at all. And the paddock clearly felt that, seeing how his career went after Ferrari.
I don't have anything to deny. Stop projecting. I mere don't condone jerk behavior.

Can you go ahead and objectively explain how his time at Mclaren and Ferrari has led to Aston Martins current situation, and how he has thus "reaped what he has sown" ?

I didn't say that in any way... His burning of bridges and behavior at McLaren and Ferrari led to him being undesired by top teams, and a persistent downgrade of his career. So the only option left to him was an already fallen back McLaren, fresh off from political infighting and ousting of Dennis, who wanted a big name driver.
Then a few years after the same with Renault/Alpine. And now AM which never was near the top, so they also can't get a more popular driver. A ruined reputation is hard to shed, especially that key team figures are rarely new people.

That's such a lie, and you should know it. This narrative was made by a few journalists and no one who actually worked with Alonso at the time says that. You can believe what you want but in this case you are wrong

[diffuser]

Kakuda explaining how this PU is nothing like the previous. Like Kakuda, there are still many of the key people in the F1 program from the previous era that were recruited or assigned back. I do wish we had Tanabe.
https://global.honda/en/F1/features/202 ... ry/kakuda/

Wasn't Asaki the lead during Honda's recovery?

Based on what the BBC quoted Newey as saying to the commission, It looks like it's not related to the ICE. It purely electrical. Since the MGU-K can deploy energy, recovery should just be software.

Who knows, I'm so disenchanted with Honda at this point. As an Alonso fan, I painfully lived through the first debacle.
I stanchly defended them failure after failure. I was soooooooooooooooooooo wrong. I'll also say I was pissed when AM signed with them.

[f1isgood]

I think someone already said it. Franz Tost might be a useful hire for Aston Martin when it comes to Honda.

[Bisonas]

I see why Andy Cowell had to be let go now. He did a poor management of the new Honda relationship. All at Aston Martin knew the Honda Engine ending up being shite due to very poor targets and demands set by Andy.

This criticism feels a little bit harsh IMO for Andy Cowell.
First of all even if Andy Cowell set very poor targets or demands, the engine from what we have seen isn't capable atm to even reach those targets because for various reasons they have to run it with many limitations, for which Andy Cowell for sure isn't responsible.
I think there are so many possible scenarios out there on what went wrong, that its impossible at this stage to point the finger on someone specific.
We just don't know all the conversations, debates and disagreements that may have happened behind closed doors inside the AMR and HONDA organizations.
What if Andy Cowell warned Newey that Honda weren't going to deliver what was expected, and that he should be a bit conservative on the packaging of the engine and the cooling requirements, avoiding extreme designs, until they have a reliable engine. Or even they may had a disagreement on the gearbox design etc etc.
I don't wanna be Andy Cowells lawyer or something, but i feel that atm we just don't know yet what went wrong in order to make such accusations.