2025 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, April 18-20

[Rikhart]

Whats the reason for Russels clear SC restart breach not even get looked at? He might aswell of overtook Piastri.

Charles also looks very close aswell on the exit of the turn. As they go past the big C in Aramco.

Verstappen accelerated then hard braked several times before actually going, very nearly caused a crash with the cars behind and everyone got awkwardly bunched up.

I'm actually surprised nothing was really mentioned or made of it at the time, wasn't there rule about 'faking' a SC restart?

I know yesterday was 4/20, but try to partake with a little more moderation man.

[chrisc90]

Verstappen accelerated then hard braked several times before actually going, very nearly caused a crash with the cars behind and everyone got awkwardly bunched up.

I'm actually surprised nothing was really mentioned or made of it at the time, wasn't there rule about 'faking' a SC restart?

I think you might need to revisit that comment

[Matt2725]

Looks like Piastri thought Max was going at the 18 second mark in the above video, them slammed on which forced Russell to take avoiding action.

[dren]

I wonder if RB thought they would be this competitive come race time. Max's poor start relative to Piastri cost him the win, but he's still in the hunt.

[ali623]

Verstappen accelerated then hard braked several times before actually going, very nearly caused a crash with the cars behind and everyone got awkwardly bunched up.

I'm actually surprised nothing was really mentioned or made of it at the time, wasn't there rule about 'faking' a SC restart?

I think you might need to revisit that comment

Fair enough, Max didn't really accelerate like I thought from that onboard, moreso looks like Piastri just tried to anticipate his start. Russell did almost clatter into the back of Piastri though.

[chrisc90]

It’s an absolute clear safety car infringement for Russell. How it wasn’t picked up on by the teams and the race director is beyond me.

[AR3-GP]

I thought you weren't allowed to drive alongside other cars during the restarts? Didn't they clarify this after the mob baying from Abu Dhabi 2021 because you know who did it...

[search]

it's how Wittich read the rules, at least - but he is not in charge anymore. And I guess even if, it played a part that Russell got alongside to not crash into Piastri, and backed up right after.

[AR3-GP]

it's how Wittich read the rules, at least - but he is not in charge anymore. And I guess even if, it played a part that Russell got alongside to not crash into Piastri, and backed up right after.

Was this a wittich issue? It was discussed in 2021 when Masi was the race director.

As for Russell, he wasn't keeping a safe distance to the car ahead. I get it, they want to get close before the restart but if that means you then come alongside another car for any reason, that's the risk you take. That risk shouldn't then become the excuse. Enforcing that rule will only encourage safer restart behaviour. Several cars could have been wiped out there, as in China last year.

[RonMexico]

it's how Wittich read the rules, at least - but he is not in charge anymore. And I guess even if, it played a part that Russell got alongside to not crash into Piastri, and backed up right after.

Was this a wittich issue? It was discussed in 2021 when Masi was the race director.

As for Russell, he wasn't keeping a safe distance to the car ahead. I get it, they want to get close before the restart but if that means you then come alongside another car for any reason, that's the risk you take. That risk shouldn't then become the excuse. Enforcing that rule will only encourage safer restart behaviour. Several cars could have been wiped out there, as in China last year.

Mugello 2020 flashbacks

[michl420]

About this 5 seconds penaltys for overtaking off track. I think the best solution is to commit the driver to give back the place, because otherwise the faster driver overtake off the track, gain 10 second in free air and is in favour. I know it is an old discussion, but the answer is actually very obvious.

[chrisc90]

About this 5 seconds penaltys for overtaking off track. I think the best solution is to commit the driver to give back the place, because otherwise the faster driver overtake off the track, gain 10 second in free air and is in favour. I know it is an old discussion, but the answer is actually very obvious.

The penalty wasn’t even justified. Vanja analysed it with an overhead photo in the red bull team thread.

Stewarding and race direction was shocking

[SiLo]

About this 5 seconds penaltys for overtaking off track. I think the best solution is to commit the driver to give back the place, because otherwise the faster driver overtake off the track, gain 10 second in free air and is in favour. I know it is an old discussion, but the answer is actually very obvious.

The penalty wasn’t even justified. Vanja analysed it with an overhead photo in the red bull team thread.

Stewarding and race direction was shocking

Rolling off the brake to be "ahead at the apex" and then just going off track to keep the position must be number 1 or 2 in the Max Verstappen overtaking handbook. I'm glad he got penalised, and him whining about it makes it even sweeter. The stewards should have cracked down on this behaviour long ago.

Piastri was right, at that speed Max was never making that corner.

[chrisc90]

About this 5 seconds penaltys for overtaking off track. I think the best solution is to commit the driver to give back the place, because otherwise the faster driver overtake off the track, gain 10 second in free air and is in favour. I know it is an old discussion, but the answer is actually very obvious.

The penalty wasn’t even justified. Vanja analysed it with an overhead photo in the red bull team thread.

Stewarding and race direction was shocking

Rolling off the brake to be "ahead at the apex" and then just going off track to keep the position must be number 1 or 2 in the Max Verstappen overtaking handbook. I'm glad he got penalised, and him whining about it makes it even sweeter. The stewards should have cracked down on this behaviour long ago.

Piastri was right, at that speed Max was never making that corner.

What proof is there to show that Max ‘rolled off the brake’

Only the brake pressure telemetry will show if that was the case, but we don’t have access to it.

[langedweil]

Piastri was right, at that speed Max was never making that corner.

If Pia (just) made it with his angle, Ver most certainly would with his.
Telemetry shows it was nothing more than a divebomb. And the funny thing is, that's even OK with me.
But stewarding needs to be consistent in ruling and not depend on which driver is on the inside or outside. That surely is the only reason for the annoyance.
But I bet this will backfire as it will get exploited now ..