Renault Power Unit Hardware & Software

[carisi2k]

vladamir the Renault power unit didn't improve one horsepower last year because they were using 2016 parts on a 2017 engine because the 2017 parts kept failing. Recently we have heard that Renault are supposedly over there issues and yet today we have on grandprix247.com cyril complaining about the 3 engine rule which makes me think that maybe they aren't over there reliability issues.

Red Bull won GP's purely on luck and the improving red bull rb13 chassis. No one else below the top 3 would have been able to pass Hamilton running in conservative mode in Malaysia. Certainly no other Renault powered team could have.

[restless]

That is all only your subjective opinion with nonsense claim that Renault couldn't produce enough parts.
Renault doesn,t want to deliver part to TR enymore and that is big diference.
Even foolish is claim that Renault were nowhere with development. They have no solutions for performance/ reliability banance. Lack of time, nothing more, because 2017. PU was all new engine structure, with much more performance to unlock.

LOL, just make your mind whats your position on the matter.
TR paid for engines, and now you claim Renault took the money but didn't want to deliver?!
They were bind by contract to deliver engines! And they sent spare parts from dead engines in order to make'em wotrk in a Frankenstein sort of engine.
By coincidence, that helped Renault to overtake TR in final standings and get ~15mln $ more in prize money. Which TR lost. Expecting that ANY team will be happy after such mischief is absurd.

During whole 2017, Renault was using their 2016-design MGU-H, because the new improved part never worked as expected!

[Vladimir]

That is all only your subjective opinion with nonsense claim that Renault couldn't produce enough parts.
Renault doesn,t want to deliver part to TR enymore and that is big diference.
Even foolish is claim that Renault were nowhere with development. They have no solutions for performance/ reliability banance. Lack of time, nothing more, because 2017. PU was all new engine structure, with much more performance to unlock.

LOL, just make your mind whats your position on the matter.
TR paid for engines, and now you claim Renault took the money but didn't want to deliver?!
They were bind by contract to deliver engines! And they sent spare parts from dead engines in order to make'em wotrk in a Frankenstein sort of engine.
By coincidence, that helped Renault to overtake TR in final standings and get ~15mln $ more in prize money. Which TR lost. Expecting that ANY team will be happy after such mischief is absurd.

During whole 2017, Renault was using their 2016-design MGU-H, because the new improved part never worked as expected!

Yes, that is all true.
But, you don't know the detail of contract between Renault and TR, or you know.
Renault could easy left them without engine,and Carlos Sainz loan prove that.

[Blackout]

vladamir the Renault power unit didn't improve one horsepower last year because they were using 2016 parts on a 2017 engine because the 2017 parts kept failing. Recently we have heard that Renault are supposedly over there issues and yet today we have on grandprix247.com cyril complaining about the 3 engine rule which makes me think that maybe they aren't over there reliability issues.

And even RB said the PU has improved (for example in Bakou)
And which 2016 parts are you talking about? (the only part, as far as we know, was the MGUK)

[ivanlesk]

RBR use Toro Roso last year, for public critics of Renault PU, because they sounded dumb in previous complaining, but took so many podiums and winnings.
They play dirty politics and show no respect at all.
Renault should put the end of contract with them, but they will probably left F1 because neither manufacturer want to give engine to them.

Manufacturer with least customers is obliged to deliver engine to team without one.

[Vladimir]

RBR use Toro Roso last year, for public critics of Renault PU, because they sounded dumb in previous complaining, but took so many podiums and winnings.
They play dirty politics and show no respect at all.
Renault should put the end of contract with them, but they will probably left F1 because neither manufacturer want to give engine to them.

Manufacturer with least customers is obliged to deliver engine to team without one.

So then why they keep that crap Tag brended engine?

[ivanlesk]

RBR use Toro Roso last year, for public critics of Renault PU, because they sounded dumb in previous complaining, but took so many podiums and winnings.
They play dirty politics and show no respect at all.
Renault should put the end of contract with them, but they will probably left F1 because neither manufacturer want to give engine to them.

Manufacturer with least customers is obliged to deliver engine to team without one.

So then why they keep that crap Tag brended engine?

Because that the best "crap" they can get? Only alternative is Honda and till now it was by far the worst engine?
You should probably get some basic facts before ranting about everything.

[Vladimir]

Manufacturer with least customers is obliged to deliver engine to team without one.

So then why they keep that crap Tag brended engine?

Because that the best "crap" they can get? Only alternative is Honda and till now it was by far the worst engine?
You should probably get some basic facts before ranting about everything.

What facts?!
And you think that you wrote something we all doesn't know.
They were given what they deserve, nothing more. And they could also take Honda PU for 2018, but they put it in TR, because they not sure is it good and won't risk as Mclaren did.

[GhostF1]

Renault was really agressive last quarter of the last season with engine development. Believe it or not. To a point where they couldnt produce enough replacement parts in time. They tested and pushed unit at it maximum. Some teams suffered because of cooling issues which caused reliability issues. They were expected.

Those tests and preps were done in advance so Viry can focus on fixing it for next year. They wanted to see how long can they push unit before it breaks (during race and qualies), how much and which teams will survive cooling problems (different cooling configurations) and which will not in different conditions on different tracks. Those were all preparations for this year which will focus not anymore on extracting few extra horse power, but will focus on reliability side.

Did Renault solve and found solution for those issues during this winter, we will not know till winter test and first 3 races of the year. But all signs point they are working on those issues.

That's why Toro Rosso had major problems with Renault last year. They fought for championship points in standing for money reward and Renault basically used them, Red Bull and also their own team to a certain point as guinea pig for next season. Red Bull didnt complain much because they knew they would use at least one more year Renault unit and wanted previously from Renault to be agressive in developing a unit, but people in Toro Rosso after it was announced they will partner with Honda felt betrayed a bit at the end of season.

What a load of crap this is. Renault went nowhere with development at the end of last year. They had the same unit in race one as they did in race 20. They couldn't produce enough replacement parts because the engines they had were all blowing up. Red Bull won races on luck in Baku and mexico and Hamilton preferring to not race max in Malaysia allowed him to win their.

The 2018 Renault is just what the 2017 Renault was supposed to be with the exception that it "might" actually be reliable. Do not expect a huge performance boost from Renault because if there was then Red Bull would be much happier and not singing the praises of Honda as they are who they know has significantly improved with there 2018 engine.

Do not be surprised that with all this delay in getting a 2018 Renault engine in the RB14 that Red Bull decided long ago that they would be using a tag heuer branded 2018 Honda instead of a Renault engine.

That is all only your subjective opinion with nonsense claim that Renault couldn't produce enough parts.
Renault doesn,t want to deliver part to TR enymore and that is big diference.
Even foolish is claim that Renault were nowhere with development. They have no solutions for performance/ reliability banance. Lack of time, nothing more, because 2017. PU was all new engine structure, with much more performance to unlock.

Everything you are claiming is all your opinion, the only facts out there is as stated by others as well, Renault provided STR with poor quality, used parts. That is the main reason to the premature failures. None of this new cooling requirement rubbish.

[ivanlesk]

So then why they keep that crap Tag brended engine?

Because that the best "crap" they can get? Only alternative is Honda and till now it was by far the worst engine?
You should probably get some basic facts before ranting about everything.

What facts?!
And you think that you wrote something we all doesn't know.
They were given what they deserve, nothing more. And they could also take Honda PU for 2018, but they put it in TR, because they not sure is it good and won't risk as Mclaren did.

??
I was answering to your question.
No, I don't think that I said something new, I believe that anyone knows that. Your question was suggesting that YOU don't know the answer so my response was according to that.

But I don't have any intention to go in useless discussion about this kind of things.
Good day to you.

[Vladimir]

Guys, things in F1 are not often as you can read in some rumor.
F1 is all about money,marketing and politics.
If that is true, that Renault sabotaged TR, why RBR let Sainz to drive for Renault and threw away Kvyat with some foolish explanation from Helmut Marko.

[godlameroso]

All this bickering and not a single technical issue related to the power unit.

[carisi2k]

vladamir the Renault power unit didn't improve one horsepower last year because they were using 2016 parts on a 2017 engine because the 2017 parts kept failing. Recently we have heard that Renault are supposedly over there issues and yet today we have on grandprix247.com cyril complaining about the 3 engine rule which makes me think that maybe they aren't over there reliability issues.

And even RB said the PU has improved (for example in Bakou)
And which 2016 parts are you talking about? (the only part, as far as we know, was the MGUK)

Since when did Red Bull say the engine improved. Daniel was lucky and had to have an early emergency pitstop to clear debri to even allow him to have finished that race let alone win that race. Oh and Max's engine had oil pressure issues.

MGU-H was a 2016 part and 5kg heavier then the 2017 part. The mgu-k was fine as far as I am aware.

[lio007]

MGU-H was a 2016 part and 5kg heavier then the 2017 part. The mgu-k was fine as far as I am aware.

It' been the other way round. MGU-K was 2016!

[Vladimir]

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