2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[f1isgood]

In the end there's no Marshall, Newey, Wheatley, Fallows (insert other big names I might have missed) that are left in the team. The team is what it is today and it's on them to keep doing a good enough job.

And also, just my 2 cents on Newey and other engineers -- F1 of today can't be done by just one person or just four or five people. It's a massive team effort. Sometimes things work, sometimes things don't (and this is true for every team) but usually with good leadership, you figure out when things fail quickly enough and come back. In fact, Red Bull did this very very well in 2020, going into 2021. Right now that bit is missing and that's worrying.

The RB18 also had correlation issues -- recall Brazil for instance although you can chalk to out a sprint weekend. The RB19 also had the issue at Singapore. The RB20 had big issues and the RB21 is following the same path as the 20.

Correlation issues with ground effect cars are always going to be there -- the key as it seems is to get a model that is as close to the real world. Looks like we have diverged from there.

[kediown]

Newey played a big role also in car setup.

I very much doubt that someone who was on and off the F1 project, sometimes not attending races, would play a major role in set-up work.

I don't have an information about his role after 2021 but in 2021 after he had an accident, the team struggled with the setups, it was admitted by Horner I think

[organic]

Newey played a big role also in car setup.

I very much doubt that someone who was on and off the F1 project, sometimes not attending races, would play a major role in set-up work.

I don't have an information about his role after 2021 but in 2021 after he had an accident, the team struggled with the setups, it was admitted by Horner I think

Yup. Turkey '21 is an example I think where they brought it up

[Cs98]

Newey played a big role also in car setup.

I very much doubt that someone who was on and off the F1 project, sometimes not attending races, would play a major role in set-up work.

I don't have an information about his role after 2021 but in 2021 after he had an accident, the team struggled with the setups, it was admitted by Horner I think

People see whatever connections they want to see. The mythos around Newey grows bigger every time you look at it. One man key to car design, check. One man key to set-up work, check. What's next? Key to pit stops?

Doesn't seem like the kind of guy you'd outsource to a road car division, yet that's where he spent a lot of time in the latter years.

[Emag]

I think it's equally naive to assume a single man is responsible for a whole team's decline as it is to assume they have no impact whatsoever, especially for a man of Newey's credentials.

Not only is he regarded as the most successful car designer of all time, but he has also been in the sport for nearly 40 years now. Experience is invaluable. I agree that teams of today are beyond one person making the whole difference, but you lose a couple of key leading figures, it's not surprising the team loses direction.

[euv2]

Weren't all these problems known and discussed recently in another big meeting at MK or has this weekend exposed more weaknesses? I'm not sure what these meetings will solve anything, probably a bit of PR to show they taking things seriously to reassure owners/investors/sponsors.

There's lots of problems to solve and very little time, tire overheating, downforce, balance, simulator correlation. Imola will need to be a package from the racing gods to bring us back, I still have hope but it becomes more difficult to believe they can overcome so many problems that seem to have solidified this weekend.

[bananapeel23]

I very much doubt that someone who was on and off the F1 project, sometimes not attending races, would play a major role in set-up work.

I don't have an information about his role after 2021 but in 2021 after he had an accident, the team struggled with the setups, it was admitted by Horner I think

People see whatever connections they want to see. The mythos around Newey grows bigger every time you look at it. One man key to car design, check. One man key to set-up work, check. What's next? Key to pit stops?

Doesn't seem like the kind of guy you'd outsource to a road car division, yet that's where he spent a lot of time in the latter years.

Exactly. Newey is a very talented manager who clearly knows how to get the most out of his team, but people make it sound like he's a magician.

[Sergej]

Newey played a big role also in car setup.

I very much doubt that someone who was on and off the F1 project, sometimes not attending races, would play a major role in set-up work.

He did. Remember also the window of his bike accident when he was off, the car had suddenly problems with setup. He was an allround technician.

[Cs98]

I don't have an information about his role after 2021 but in 2021 after he had an accident, the team struggled with the setups, it was admitted by Horner I think

People see whatever connections they want to see. The mythos around Newey grows bigger every time you look at it. One man key to car design, check. One man key to set-up work, check. What's next? Key to pit stops?

Doesn't seem like the kind of guy you'd outsource to a road car division, yet that's where he spent a lot of time in the latter years.

Exactly. Newey is a very talented manager who clearly knows how to get the most out of his team, but people make it sound like he's a magician.

No, he is/was a very talented designer, but we are now in the era of managers. I.e. the technical director needs to know design, but more than that needs to know how to organize the people doing the real design work under them. Newey was an old school, hands on, draw on paper designer. He specifically disliked the managerial part of it hence why he over time became more of a consultant who worked on his own time, instead of day to day managerial tasks that fell to Waché.

[ispano6]

Newey was influential in car set ups. Anyone who doesn't think that frankly doesn't know how this team operated. Marshall too was crucial from a mechanical side. Newey himself said he was responsible for the suspension design, because it has to handle the load. The Caller twins, if they are still on leave due to their father's illness, are sorely missed.

[bananapeel23]

People see whatever connections they want to see. The mythos around Newey grows bigger every time you look at it. One man key to car design, check. One man key to set-up work, check. What's next? Key to pit stops?

Doesn't seem like the kind of guy you'd outsource to a road car division, yet that's where he spent a lot of time in the latter years.

Exactly. Newey is a very talented manager who clearly knows how to get the most out of his team, but people make it sound like he's a magician.

No, he is/was a very talented designer, but we are now in the era of managers. I.e. the technical director needs to know design, but more than that needs to know how to organize the people doing the real design work under them. Newey was an old school, hands on, draw on paper designer. He specifically disliked the managerial part of it hence why he over time became more of a consultant who worked on his own time, instead of day to day managerial tasks that fell to Waché.

That he dislikes it does not mean that he isn't good at it. Newey built the Red Bull team that produced all of their championship winning cars, even if he decided to take a step back and work as a consultant. Newey the manager built their team. Newey the designer was responsible for the RB18 and RB19 suspension.

[f1isgood]

Newey left the team almost a year ago, can we move on from Newey?

[Tvetovnato]

I would say that if you have a massive influence on the car design, you are also quite likely to have an idea of what setup can make it work at its best

[Vettel165]

Imagine Max taking pole again next weekend in a tractor. Highly unlikely I know, but it would funny. In reality we should aim at least for the second row in qualy.

[Sergej]