2025 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, April 18-20

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Re: 2025 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Jeddah, April 18-20

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Ferry wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 23:32
The-race.com has also made a video about it, worth a watch.
Penalty seems fair enough in my opinion.

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Tvetovnato wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 21:19
Winning a corner has been a thing forever in racing. If you are well enough on the inside without sending a divebomb, the corner is yours as long as you stay on track, just as Russell says. It’s on the outside driver to realize that they are beaten and try again. It’s not dangerous in any way. If you see the car on the inside, you just expect that you may need to ceede the corner, and then you don’t need to drive off track. What is bizarre is that they tried to change this rule with the ahead at the apex nonsense which invites for divebombs right and left, making real racing impossible.
Why is a driver on the outside 'beaten'? What on earth is the reasoning for that?

We're not talking about overtaking on the inside, but the outside.

This is insanity. Absolute insanity that people dont realize how crazy this 'established' thinking is. It's ruining racing, it's unfair, and it's outright dangerous. It's a zero-win situation for anybody except the driver who gets to bully another driver off-track unfairly.

This sort of thinking is, with extreme hyperbole, like the thinking that owning slaves is ok. It's all so normalized that people have no idea why anybody would balk at it, simply because they well and truly haven't thought about how horrible the idea actually is.

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AR3-GP wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 21:06
Seanspeed wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 18:49
They're literally making the problem worse. Absolutely unbelievable.

There should be no such thing as 'winning' a corner that legally allows you to run another driver off-track. It's just such an absurd premise that almost nobody questions for some absolutely bizarre reason. All in a dangerous sport, and in one where we complain that overtaking is already too difficult. smh
The drivers are saying that there is no problem. There's no sense defending those who do not seek to be defended.
The drivers LOVE that they can prevent getting overtaken by simply running a competitor off the track.

It shouldn't be up to them to upset this completely ridiculous and unfair situation that deprives everybody watching from better entertainment and a more fair competition.

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bluechris wrote:
30 Apr 2025, 20:59
Well you only need to keep the inside line, why you think noone can pass Max?
Antonelli was literally ahead going into the 1st corner and it was still legal to run him off-track according to stewards.

Basically, there's literally no situation in which any driver of intelligence should allow ANYBODY to pass them on the outside. Just run them off-track. It's not actually legal, the rules strictly forbid this, but the stewards will almost always let you get away with it anyways.

How do y'all not realize how this is ruining racing? Especially when everybody is complaining about how hard overtaking is in the first place? Allowing drivers to run others off-track is unfair, uncompetitive, and deprives us of a good show, as drivers going side-by-side through corners often sets us up for a nice back and forth.