2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[AR3-GP]

Random. I watched some highlights from last year and COTA '24 was really a masterpiece. Sprint pole, sprint win, and holding off that Mclaren for P3 in the GP in that car. It still doesn't make any sense to this day. T11 before the back straight was unbelievably bad. The Mclaren had more front in dirty air.

[basti313]

Red Bull since mid-2021 have had the least tunnel time and CFD runs while McLaren spending a lot of time in midfield with far more resources than Red Bull managed to actually put the pieces together. And for this reason, I still think Red Bull has a better chance of fixing their issues unlike the other two.

Nailed it.

Not really. The issue is, that (like Merc) they needed to sacrifice correlation runs. That is what they have now...correlation issues...
The big question is how fast they can solve these. Only by then they can work efficiently on the car like in the past.

[Bill]

Max will dominate the second part of the season. You heard it here first. The updates will work, and the TD will slow down Mclaren and also Mercedes. They will have much more problems with balance and setting up the car. Just my prediction, could be very wrong though, its a feeling I have.

I hope you're right, for Yuki's sake. Alpine likely will also be affected, so if Yuki can be in the mix then he can be rear gunner for Max. They couldn't utilize him in Jeddah which could have helped Max. It would be great if RB21 can be dominant like RB19 with some 1-2 finishes. Probably not likely but possibly on some tracks that Yuki is better at. Miami looks like it will be tough, but Imola may look better with the updates.

redbull will have upgrades in Miami ,i would like to see what yuki long runpace would be .Bahrain the car didnt work and the other two races were not much of a race

[pantherxxx]

The wind tunnel itself doesn't matter that much—what really matters are the sensors capturing the data from it, and those are state-of-the-art tools. Correlation issues arose due to overly complex aero designs combined with limited wind tunnel time. VCARB, on the other hand, could run more tests in their wind tunnel, which led to better correlation.

[organic]

Red Bull is pushing with a package of innovations ready for Imola. It should be worth 2 theoretical tenths but nobody trusts the correlation.

According to autoracer

[Paa]

Red Bull is pushing with a package of innovations ready for Imola. It should be worth 2 theoretical tenths but nobody trusts the correlation.

According to autoracer

Mixed feelings.

[Sergej]

"2 theoretical tenths" --> half tenth on track



of course it will depend on what further improvements these upgrades will bring: if, on top of the 2 tenths, there is an improved tyre wear / car balance / whatever, then the global improvement will be bigger

if, all things considered, the net gain is actually 0.2 then it's not enough, McLaren will upgrade as well, Ferrari gained 1 tenth with Bahrain floor and will upgrade again (supposedly with a larger package than Bahrain), so Red Bull will fall behind again.

[Wouter]

Red Bull is pushing with a package of innovations ready for Imola. It should be worth 2 theoretical tenths but nobody trusts the correlation.

According to autoracer

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I only could find this:

https://autoracer.it/it/analisi-red-bul ... oti-e-vivo

Do you have a link? I don't think it is in this article.

[organic]

Red Bull is pushing with a package of innovations ready for Imola. It should be worth 2 theoretical tenths but nobody trusts the correlation.

According to autoracer

.
I only could find this:

https://autoracer.it/it/analisi-red-bul ... oti-e-vivo

Do you have a link? I don't think it is in this article.

Sorry I'd normally provide a link with the quote

https://autoracer.it/it/mclaren-red-bul ... rrari-sf25

Red Bull is pushing with a package of innovations ready for Imola. It should be worth 2 theoretical tenths but nobody trusts the correlation. Engineer Lambiase, between Bahrain and Arabia, as a trusted man of Verstappen has unusually returned to Milton Keynes to personally contribute to some technical discussions, seems to be revealing a profile very similar to Ross Brawn.

[Wouter]

According to autoracer

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I only could find this:

https://autoracer.it/it/analisi-red-bul ... oti-e-vivo

Do you have a link? I don't think it is in this article.

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Sorry I'd normally provide a link with the quote

https://autoracer.it/it/mclaren-red-bul ... rrari-sf25

Red Bull is pushing with a package of innovations ready for Imola. It should be worth 2 theoretical tenths but nobody trusts the correlation. Engineer Lambiase, between Bahrain and Arabia, as a trusted man of Verstappen has unusually returned to Milton Keynes to personally contribute to some technical discussions, seems to be revealing a profile very similar to Ross Brawn.

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Thanks @Organic.

[Bill]

"2 theoretical tenths" --> half tenth on track



of course it will depend on what further improvements these upgrades will bring: if, on top of the 2 tenths, there is an improved tyre wear / car balance / whatever, then the global improvement will be bigger

if, all things considered, the net gain is actually 0.2 then it's not enough, McLaren will upgrade as well, Ferrari gained 1 tenth with Bahrain floor and will upgrade again (supposedly with a larger package than Bahrain), so Red Bull will fall behind again.

Marko say the goal is to increase the operation window of car and fix drivebility of the car .the two tenth were do people get that from and how credible is that.

[Seanspeed]

Second driver performance relative to Max has been more or less constant. Perez was only marginally worse in 2024 than in 2022 and 2023 but the issues never looked big because Red Bull just had a much bigger margin to the third best team in 2022 than in 2023 in qualifying. The pace advantage in the race also shrunk from 2023 onwards so it was harder to farm DOTD by starting P7 and getting P2 or P3. In fact, I'd argue Perez in 2023 wasn't much worse than Perez in 2022. The gaps just shrunk between cars and more teams were in contention behind VER.

Also, with all due respect to other teams like Ferrari and Mercedes, only Red Bull have won titles this regulation and they will, regardless of McLaren winning both titles this year come out as the most successful team of this cycle. People can have their opinion and always make good arguments that Red Bull fell off while McLaren grew stronger but it's an argument that's easily defended by the simple fact that Red Bull since mid-2021 have had the least tunnel time and CFD runs while McLaren spending a lot of time in midfield with far more resources than Red Bull managed to actually put the pieces together. And for this reason, I still think Red Bull has a better chance of fixing their issues unlike the other two.

Trying to act like the difference to Max never changed from 2022 to late 2023 and 2024 is just absolute willful denial of reality. I feel like making me prove that is an exercise in wasting not just my time, but yours and also of everybody with the misfortune of reading through our posts. smh

And Red Bull's lack of progress/falling off has little to nothing to do with less windtunnel/CFD time. When their big complaint right now is an inability to turn on-paper design gains into expected on-track gains, then they've got other issues. One that's very unlikely to have nothing to do with the timing of disregarding Newey's warnings about the design direction and then of course the issues becoming more glaring after he leaves proper. So I dont think this is an 'easy defense', it sounds like just the only remaining thing you can possibly come up with, so that's what you're going with.

[AR3-GP]

"2 theoretical tenths" --> half tenth on track



of course it will depend on what further improvements these upgrades will bring: if, on top of the 2 tenths, there is an improved tyre wear / car balance / whatever, then the global improvement will be bigger

if, all things considered, the net gain is actually 0.2 then it's not enough, McLaren will upgrade as well, Ferrari gained 1 tenth with Bahrain floor and will upgrade again (supposedly with a larger package than Bahrain), so Red Bull will fall behind again.

It’s on top of the improvements that they have already made in Jeddah and those to be seen in Miami.

Also, “2 tenths” can’t be put to any specific track. So it could be more than 2 tenths on 1 track, and less than 2 tenths on another.

Other teams might lose something with the Spain TD. The most important thing for Red Bull is to get tire wear under control because that’s a bigger factor.

[f1isgood]

Red Bull is pushing with a package of innovations ready for Imola. It should be worth 2 theoretical tenths but nobody trusts the correlation.

According to autoracer

I think fixing rear tire heating should be the bigger goal. At Bahrain the car was nowhere. No upgrade was going to fix that.

[Wouter]

"Impatiently waiting to see Yuki's Miami fit".

Impatiently waiting to see Max because (his jet) he is still in Monaco (11 hours flight)!??