2024 Aston Martin | Aramco F1 Team

[vas_04614]

I am not car expert but If the same performance continue for rest of the weekend, then it's better to take step back and stop development and rather find reasons for lack of improvement with upgrades introduced ( aero, correlation, Integration with merc parts, tires, suspension etc etc there would be 100s of them probably)

Then work on plan to improve the car with those learnings.

But hoping that they change setup and upgrades do work tomorrow.

[diffuser]

Once it was for the sprint races, now they can't even find the set-ups in free practice. Everyone else who brings updates can do it in 10 minutes, who knows why. Stop defending the impossible, the criticisms are there and you have to accept them

I guess AMR having the least amount of points in FP1 and FP2 is important to some.....

Their Track record with updates worries fans so far they have not shown tendency to improve car over season. everyone here wants aston to be like mclaren. i am simply impressed with what mclaren has achieved, after a point excuses will run out dry for aston.

I can remember not to long ago when McLaren sucked on Friday and made big moves in FP3.

They're basing their track record on a year when they were moving their factory from 1 building to another. They're still a construction site.

[SSJ4]

By far the slowest at variante alta chicane.

Do you think we run the car too stiff?

[Nikosar]

By far the slowest at variante alta chicane.

Do you think we run the car too stiff?

Car still very stiff, ALO complains about the rear end of the car. In FP1 they didn't do many laps, but in FP2 they seemed to manage the tires better, but the pace didn't improve.

Race sim showed we are close to Red Bull but far from Mclaren and Ferrari.

Still have FP3 to work on the balance and adjust rear end to put the 3 sectors together.

Very worrying the radio message between Alonso and the engineer about the DATA discrepancy ? if they don't find the right car window, the race will be a replica of Miami

[xReVo]

As another user said, it would be better not to do any more upgrades and run with the base car if they do nothing but make the car worse. They would focus directly on 2025 or even further better in 2026. The updates should be made to the correlation between factory and track

[Nikosar]

They need to solve this otherwise in 2026 you can have a fast car in the first races but they will lose as the season goes.

[ALO_Power]

Any improvement in the tire deg in long runs at least?

[zoroastar]

Any improvement in the tire deg in long runs at least?

alonso said that the upgrades dont address their biggest issue (tire deg). and that will be addressed with some later "upgrades".

[-wkst-]

Thing is that there is obviously something wrong with the balance of the car. Lot of sliding, oversteer issues, no wonder the drivers have no confidence in the car. Such things also make the deg worse.

Not very confident for the rest of the weekend, although track evolution and fresh soft rubber will mask once again the problems in Q to some degree. Race is another story.

[Ashwinv16]

I guess AMR having the least amount of points in FP1 and FP2 is important to some.....

Their Track record with updates worries fans so far they have not shown tendency to improve car over season. everyone here wants aston to be like mclaren. i am simply impressed with what mclaren has achieved, after a point excuses will run out dry for aston.

The first step to be like McLaren would be having their own windtunnel, make their own gearbox and suspension.

Exactly, You can't compare Aston to McLaren Just yet. In fact for the facilities McLaren ahs, they should have been fighting at the front but it's taking them a long time to get there and let's not talk about Ferrari and Mercedes.

[xReVo]

Their Track record with updates worries fans so far they have not shown tendency to improve car over season. everyone here wants aston to be like mclaren. i am simply impressed with what mclaren has achieved, after a point excuses will run out dry for aston.

The first step to be like McLaren would be having their own windtunnel, make their own gearbox and suspension.

Exactly, You can't compare Aston to McLaren Just yet. In fact for the facilities McLaren ahs, they should have been fighting at the front but it's taking them a long time to get there and let's not talk about Ferrari and Mercedes.

You think this is the structure's problem, when in reality the updates don't work! And it's not a question of structures! Behind to Visa cash RB and Haas, but what are you talking about?

[jofs89]

We'll see what they can do in the rest of the weekend. I think the worrying think for me is not that they are not competing with RB, Ferrari and McLaren who, yes, do have more resources and flexibility, so probably should be ahead of them at this stage. It is that they start with a fairly OK baseline car and then the new parts that are meant to bring performance don't seem to bring the intended performance.

This just indicates to me that they don't understand the car, they often talk about outside variables etc. that affect the car performance when bringing upgrades, this isn't the case with other teams who seem to understand what performance the upgrades will bring and then they tend to actually bring that performance in reality on track.

You can say that they are limited by the Merc rear suspension and gearbox, and that is probably true. However, that doesn't explain why the upgrades don't work. If they know the limiting variables surely they can still engineer around that to improve the cars performance? I know all parts of the car are very connected performance-wise but surely in their simulations these upgrades are supposed to bring performance regardless of those limitations, and for the most part they haven't worked.

[xReVo]

We'll see what they can do in the rest of the weekend. I think the worrying think for me is not that they are not competing with RB, Ferrari and McLaren who, yes, do have more resources and flexibility, so probably should be ahead of them at this stage. It is that they start with a fairly OK baseline car and then the new parts that are meant to bring performance don't seem to bring the intended performance.

This just indicates to me that they don't understand the car, they often talk about outside variables etc. that affect the car performance when bringing upgrades, this isn't the case with other teams who seem to understand what performance the upgrades will bring and then they tend to actually bring that performance in reality on track.

You can say that they are limited by the Merc rear suspension and gearbox, and that is probably true. However, that doesn't explain why the upgrades don't work. If they know the limiting variables surely they can still engineer around that to improve the cars performance? I know all parts of the car are very connected performance-wise but surely in their simulations these upgrades are supposed to bring performance regardless of those limitations, and for the most part they haven't worked.

Exactly, these are all excuses. The updates don't work, there is a correlation problem that has nothing to do with the structure

[ALO_Power]

I would give them just a little bit more time to figure out their package but ye so far not much confidence inspiring. Could Monaco be a better shot since the car seems to be good turning on the tires?
On the upside, on the long-runs Alonso's stint on medium seemed to be only 1 tenth slower than Max's but Max was struggling and was quite behind others.

[OnEcRiTiCaL]

We'll see what they can do in the rest of the weekend. I think the worrying think for me is not that they are not competing with RB, Ferrari and McLaren who, yes, do have more resources and flexibility, so probably should be ahead of them at this stage. It is that they start with a fairly OK baseline car and then the new parts that are meant to bring performance don't seem to bring the intended performance.

This just indicates to me that they don't understand the car, they often talk about outside variables etc. that affect the car performance when bringing upgrades, this isn't the case with other teams who seem to understand what performance the upgrades will bring and then they tend to actually bring that performance in reality on track.

You can say that they are limited by the Merc rear suspension and gearbox, and that is probably true. However, that doesn't explain why the upgrades don't work. If they know the limiting variables surely they can still engineer around that to improve the cars performance? I know all parts of the car are very connected performance-wise but surely in their simulations these upgrades are supposed to bring performance regardless of those limitations, and for the most part they haven't worked.

Exactly, these are all excuses. The updates don't work, there is a correlation problem that has nothing to do with the structure

Aston problem is the tyres ,nothing else. I don't know how they can simulation the tyres if they don't understand them. And in the simulator have to simulate the asphalt surface is rought or mirror finish etcetera. Let's see the qualification, but how I seen the tyres totally did gave up in the S3 even at single fast lap. I think the new tyres which was introduced last year in UK got stiffer side walls so the tyre more faster overheat because instead of absorb some energy just loose grip and start to slide. FIA says It’s the structure of the tyre that has changed, while the compound hasn’t. I have no other explanation why Aston was struggle so much in Hungary. Before they had atom safe rear even at testing the sky riporters said Aston like a bullet train on a string .