2021 AMG Mercedes F1 Team

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He can put on his orange suit and orange shades as a disguise and escape.
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I dont think a two stop will work, because the lap is quite short, so lots of traffic to pass every now and then.

I think, assuming Max is leading after lap one with both Mercedes behind, the best strategy is to block Verstappen with Bottas long enough for Hamilton to do an overcut. If he doesnt go for the pit, Hamilton could do the undercut himself.

Max could defend against this, by keeping Gasly and others close behind and not driving too much of a gap, but that could expose them.

Either way, i think i’m going to love this race. As a Monaco vibe to it and the strategic element could be really fascinating.
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Hamilton's p2 lap (open in yt)

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Phil wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 08:44

I think, assuming Max is leading after lap one with both Mercedes behind, the best strategy is to block Verstappen with Bottas long enough for Hamilton to do an overcut. If he doesnt go for the pit, Hamilton could do the undercut himself.
They should just cover Hamilton and ignore bottas, he's bound to self destruct at some point during the race anyway, either with an error of some kind or tyre troubles, making him easy pickings.

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Although there is a long slow pitstop here, under a VSC it is neutralised, so I am not so sure they will all opt for a one stopper.
It will be a real gamble and some will fall in lucky and others lose out. With so short a lap though, position on leaving the pit is going to be a big player
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Quite funny interview of HAM with dutch kids (english):
https://nos.nl/l/2396482

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Are Merc braindead ? Hamilton was 3.6 seconds faster than Max on that last lap. They could've easily put him on used softs or meds when the gap was 1.5 seconds, with 16-17 laps to go. What a throw.
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Shrieker wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 16:38
Are Merc braindead ? Hamilton was 3.6 seconds faster than Max on that last lap. They could've easily put him on used softs or meds when the gap was 1.5 seconds, with 16-17 laps to go. What a throw.
Agree… This year the merc strategy dept has been letting everyone down. Clearly the other car is much faster too, you can compare both second drivers today. So painful.

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I genuinely think sometimes computers cannot see the blindingly obvious

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So that Zandvoort merc oil or whatever update that was rumored was just that. Next race more updates for the other team while Merc just gets another beating.

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rickybobbyf1 wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 16:49
So that Zandvoort merc oil or whatever update that was rumored was just that. Next race more updates for the other team while Merc just gets another beating.
A bit defeatist no? Everything to play for and plenty of turns of the steering wheel to go

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Another shambolic performance by the Merc pitwall. When the margins are that tight, you can't afford to have scrappy or ill-timed pitstops. This race win was definitely possible, although unlikely.

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101FlyingDutchman wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 16:49
rickybobbyf1 wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 16:49
So that Zandvoort merc oil or whatever update that was rumored was just that. Next race more updates for the other team while Merc just gets another beating.
A bit defeatist no? Everything to play for and plenty of turns of the steering wheel to go
Hard not to be, tbh. They are lacking pace and not trying to make it up with strategy and/or perfect pit stops. Bottas was nowhere today, Perez had great pace. IMHO you can see the difference there, if Merc had a better car Bottas would be up there more often than not. Anyway, onto next weekend, I guess.

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mkay wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 16:53
Another shambolic performance by the Merc pitwall. When the margins are that tight, you can't afford to have scrappy or ill-timed pitstops. This race win was definitely possible, although unlikely.
Agreed. It was not likely, however they very clearly had a better shot at it with a 3rd stop, and it's flat out bizarre they didn't take the chance.
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Shrieker wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 16:55
mkay wrote:
05 Sep 2021, 16:53
Another shambolic performance by the Merc pitwall. When the margins are that tight, you can't afford to have scrappy or ill-timed pitstops. This race win was definitely possible, although unlikely.
Agreed. It was not likely, however they very clearly had a better shot at it with a 3rd stop, and it's flat out bizarre they didn't take the chance.
Agreed.

They also had a shot during the 2nd pitstop, but they chose the absolute wrong moment to pit, with VER slipping away from HAM and HAM being released in traffic... meant that the gap actually increased after the 2nd pitstop!

They really should have thrown the dice and tried a pitstop for hards right as they passed Bottas.

Very scrappy race by Volwes/pitwall.