2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

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Otromundo wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 04:16
Last week or maybe the week before I saw a video of a Japanese reporter interviewing a big boss from HRC. He had a life-size model of the engine behind him where you could see that the electrical part + battery were in staggered positions. They asked him the reason. He replied that AN had asked them for the MGU-K to be as low as possible and that they had to modify the engine. That the electrical part above the MGU-K housed "electrical components" (I suspected they could be capacitors, which is something I think is important to confirm, by the way) and that the lower part housed the battery. And that AN's reason was to move the center of gravity as low as possible, something logical and also typical of AN. At no point was AN or AMR criticized.

I've been looking for it for 2 days because I didn't save its address and I would like you to see it. But there is no way. Let's see if I can find it while I wait for P1 to start.
Interesting. However since you're the only source for this so far, I'll leave room for doubt.

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Maybe its some asian thing, but I dont understand how if newey asked them to change it and then they accepted, it is his fault. Are they really not capable of saying no of they think it cant be done?

"Ok, lets just try to do this impossible thing and become a laughing stock when it doesnt work"

I would think it is more probable that they said yes that can be done, and then failed (so far) . But then it is not on newey.

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mzso wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 20:29
Otromundo wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 04:16
Last week or maybe the week before I saw a video of a Japanese reporter interviewing a big boss from HRC. He had a life-size model of the engine behind him where you could see that the electrical part + battery were in staggered positions. They asked him the reason. He replied that AN had asked them for the MGU-K to be as low as possible and that they had to modify the engine. That the electrical part above the MGU-K housed "electrical components" (I suspected they could be capacitors, which is something I think is important to confirm, by the way) and that the lower part housed the battery. And that AN's reason was to move the center of gravity as low as possible, something logical and also typical of AN. At no point was AN or AMR criticized.

I've been looking for it for 2 days because I didn't save its address and I would like you to see it. But there is no way. Let's see if I can find it while I wait for P1 to start.
Interesting. However since you're the only source for this so far, I'll leave room for doubt.
Yes, your opinion seems normal to me. That’s why I want to find the video. The bad thing is that I came across it by chance, and the Japanese language made it quite difficult for me to find information about the journalist. I don't remember his name for the same reason. I was able to find that he has been following the championship for years and that he collaborates with various Japanese media, among which perhaps was TV Fuji? or something like that.

I even had a draft of the message I intended to post along with the video. Then it seemed to me that maybe I was posting too many things and that the video might not be that important. I closed the computer tabs and left it be. Now I regret it, of course.
Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear.

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Otromundo wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 17:23
diffuser wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 11:45
Otromundo wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 04:16
Last week or maybe the week before I saw a video of a Japanese reporter interviewing a big boss from HRC. He had a life-size model of the engine behind him where you could see that the electrical part + battery were in staggered positions. They asked him the reason. He replied that AN had asked them for the MGU-K to be as low as possible and that they had to modify the engine. That the electrical part above the MGU-K housed "electrical components" (I suspected they could be capacitors, which is something I think is important to confirm, by the way) and that the lower part housed the battery. And that AN's reason was to move the center of gravity as low as possible, something logical and also typical of AN. At no point was AN or AMR criticized.

I've been looking for it for 2 days because I didn't save its address and I would like you to see it. But there is no way. Let's see if I can find it while I wait for P1 to start.
That staggered box Honda used last year was a separate unit, so stacking it on top of the battery now isn’t really a big deal.

From what I remember reading, the change wasn’t about lowering the center of gravity—it was about keeping the car as narrow as possible. That’s probably why the AMR26 seems to have such a large undercut.

They moved the control electronics from beside the battery to on top of it. That freed up space, and they used the MGU-K transmission to reposition the MGU-K from sitting alongside the ICE to almost in front of it.

The regulations require the MGU-K to connect to the crankshaft—if I remember correctly, about 100 mm from the front of the ICE—so the MGU-K has to sit forward of that point.

That’s different from last year, when the regs had the MGU-K connected to the rear of the crankshaft and positioned alongside the ICE.

They’re using the MGU-K’s transmission to connect to the crankshaft, then connecting the MGU-K to that in a way that makes it appear as if the MGU-K is mounted almost directly in front of the ICE.
Well, the super-zero sizing is also another one of AN's priorities, as is normal in their profession. It wouldn't have caught my attention if the one from HRC had said it because I take it for granted. On the other hand, what did catch my attention was lowering the car's center of gravity. Something that is also normally among AN's priorities, but it caught my attention more. I haven't been able to find the video yet, I didn't save its URL and it is being very complicated.
People use "super-zero sizing " term everywhere. Everyone in F1 wants everything smaller lighter and stronger, not just AN.

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CHT wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 05:38
SealTheRealDeal wrote:
13 Mar 2026, 05:18
https://twitter.com/agustinms67/status/ ... 1202697235
I don't know, but I don't think the MGU-K would cause the car to shake like that while the car is stopped.
2026 MGU-K are much bigger and heavier and its attached to ICE.
When MGU-K is closely attached on its side to the engine, there will be less rotational effect when ICE vibrate.
Under the current set up, the MGU-K is attached at the end, with is C.G further away from the ICE.
Which mean any movement from the ICE on the MGU-K will increase rotational effect due to perpendicular distance,

(Moment = Force x Perpendicular Distance).
The rest of the car is lighter and also attached to the ICE.

What is the difference from the center of mass in perpendicular distance between the 2 positions? I don't think maybe a dozen centimeters would be the difference between the car being stable and the car shaking violently, especially if the MGU-K itself is properly balanced.

Also the car is shaking while stopped, the MGU-K isn't deploying while the car is stopped, it's probably generating but cars harvest at a lower rate then they deploy so I doubt merely harvesting would cause that much shaking. It has to be from the engine revving up to get the turbo spooled up.