di Montezemolo the hypocrite

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Firstly: Some people may think manchild is ranting...but we all have our views...

Personally i do think Ferrari is SLIGHTLY safeguarded by the FIA...NOT to the extent tht the FIA want them to win all the time...but in a way such that Ferrari will never leave the sport.

Ferrari are the only team in F1 to have been here since F1 started in 1950 and they bring with them a HUGE fan base...from a commercial point of view Ferrari leaving F1 (or leaving it's spotlight) is a disaster. Bernie even agrees he has on more than one occassion reffered to Ferrari's importance to the sport (i.e that when people think F1 one of the first things that springs to mind is Ferrari).

Secondly: (sorry i cnt work the quote thing)
but Guest wrote:
"All the michelinteams failed to bring suitable equipment(the tires that is). From a sporting point of view why should the michelinteams be given exemptions from the rules that all must adhere to ? How is it fair to Ferrari that they reduce their speed so that the others can keep up?"

In responce to that, Ferrari didn't have to reduce their speed, nor did Michilen have to break rules that everybody else follows...the simple answer was that they used a tyre chicane. And no that is NOT un fair on the bridgestone teams, because everybody would be running on the same track. If that was to be unfair then it would b unfair for the circuit designers to change the layout of their tracks (eg Hockenhiem 2002)...but of course that is not unfair because everbody else is using the same track.

I love Ferrari (i dont like Schumi) but even tho I love Ferrari I have to admit that they were wrong to b so arrogant as to refuse every proposal offered to them. It was very unsporting of them. And yes I know it would have broken rules....but Rules r for the interpretation of wise men and for the obedience of fools...i.e Sometimes you can bend the rules in the best interests of the sport as a whole.

[Guest]

I sign all my posts with Fx but I have not registered at the forum.

Spencifer_Murphy: Had they been told in advance(a year or two) as they are when a circuit is changing its layout then I see no unfairness or problem.

If you dont think that altering a circuit because some cars are having problems negotiating the track at full speed then fine I disagree.

/ Fx

[Guest]

The michelinteams refused every proposition
given to them by the FIA so in my opinion the michelinteams were just as unsporting as Ferrari.

Manchild: I didnt grow up with Gilles but your version of Enzo isnt the same one given by the historybooks or the documentarys of his life that I have seen.

But hey maybe thats just me.

/ Fx

[Guest]

Guest (or /fx) wrote:

And if you are naive enough to believe that the michelinteams only wanted a show for the sake of the fans then why did they reject the FIA proposals ?

Perhaps you 'd like to enlighten us on what the fia's proposals were and tell us why their rejection was unsporting

mcdenife

[mcdenife]

ooops. sorry that last post was mine

[Guest]

It was not unsporting to reject the FIA proposals, it was a rather nice gift to Ferrari but it was not nice towards the fans especially not those that had bought a ticket to the race.

/ Fx

[West]

Suggesting the Michelin teams run through the pitlane on every lap isn't a solution. It's more like a crack addict listening to his demons (again). Even though I did not graduate masters and all that like Max Mosley, I can tell you that was an extremely stupid suggestion by the head of the FIA.

What Ferrari did was selfish, but I still think the Michelin "zero points chicane" would have been better. If all the teams ran through the pitlane, that is almost just as lame as the six car race itself.

[manchild]

The michelinteams refused every proposition
given to them by the FIA so in my opinion the michelinteams were just as unsporting as Ferrari.

Manchild: I didnt grow up with Gilles but your version of Enzo isnt the same one given by the historybooks or the documentarys of his life that I have seen.

But hey maybe thats just me.

/ Fx

When 1 team and 1 man (Mosley) stand against 9 teams and absolute majority of F1 fans than that 1 team and 1 man can be hardly considered as righteous.
...
History books and documentaries also say that Wright brothers flew the first airplane in 1903 while first airplane actually flew in 1890 and it was built by Clément Ader. The man even invented the term “Avion”(Aviation, Avio mechanic, Avionics…) before Wright brothers even flew their airplane.

http://www.ctie.monash.edu.au/hargrave/ader.html

But hey maybe thats just me.

[RH1300S]

OT, but that aircraft is a thing of strange beauty - thanks for the link

[Guest]

I actually think that running thru the pitlane each lap is just as stupid as making teams that had brought the proper equipment running an altered track configuration.

The problem would have been far simpler had all teams been affected but still there were millions solutions available and yet the two sides opted for the no race option which I think is really stupid but it does make you wonder why.

Manchild: I dont think you can realistically count Minardi and Jordan. I prefer to look at it like GPWC Vs FIA&FOM(Bernie).

/ Fx

[manchild]

All Bridgestone teams would get points even if the Michelin teams raced with no points.

Minardi and Jordan are "happy to be there" and they agreed to everything offered by Michelin teams. This also goes for their drivers when it matters joint statements etc.

I see it as GPWC (9 teams) vs. FIA & Ferrari, Bernie is just observing and will pact with the side that gets him more profit (if GPWC comes alive Bernie certainly won’t be broadcasting races with 2 Ferraris and 2 RedBulls.
BTW, Red Bull’s purchase of Minardi leads me to think that it was actually Ferrari’s purchase in order of step-by-step creation of GPWC-free F1. oyota and Williams perhaps could stick in F1 hoping to conquer Ferrari and Toyota but realistically I can’t imagine 2 championships with less than half dozen teams in each

[Hudsonhawk]

Manchild: I didnt grow up with Gilles but your version of Enzo isnt the same one given by the historybooks or the documentarys of his life that I have seen.

But hey maybe thats just me.

/ Fx

YOU ARE THE GENERALISING KING !!!!

There are people who like my "ranting" a lot.

About time someone like yourself arrived on the scene. You have an ability to support all your arguements with such damaging true FACTS and its a pleasure to read - whether your right or wrong - whether is about shumacher or not - you present a case each and everytime and i dont know how people keep missing your point. Manchildddd you ranting man whoreeeee

[Guest]

I agree manchild , there will most likely not be 2 championship.

The only thing that I dont like about that proposal is that the Michelinteams will appear to be faster and it would most likely have looked like they won the race. What was needed was a safe and from a sportingview fair solution. Had both tirecompanys suffered the same problem then a chicane would have been ideal. Another problem is that when the teams group together the FIA cant do much, they cant throw out 7 out of ten teams, besides hade the FIA thrown out the 7 michelinteams then the GPWC would definitely been up and running already.

Its a game of politics and power and not of the good kind.

/ Fx

[manchild]

About time someone like yourself arrived on the scene. You have an ability to support all your arguements with such damaging true FACTS and its a pleasure to read - whether your right or wrong - whether is about shumacher or not - you present a case each and everytime and i dont know how people keep missing your point. Manchildddd you ranting man whoreeeee

I’m blushing, not used to this kind of replies...

Imagine how would my "ranting" sound if English was my first language?

[Spencifer_Murphy]

wow...u speak fantastic english...i thort it WAS ur first language...what is ure first language Manchild? Sorry if its a bit off-topic guys