di Montezemolo the hypocrite

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DaveKillens
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di Montezemolo the hypocrite

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Amazing, just totally freaking amazing. I just read some comments by Mr Montezemolo, the big cheese at Ferrari.

"The outspoken di Montezemolo added: "I want a Formula One with fewer costs, a greater unity among the teams in deciding the future, more innovations and if someone wants to change the tyres every lap then they should be allowed to."
http://www.planetf1.com/news/story_20804.shtml
Unity among the teams? Oh boy, last time I looked, it was 9 to 1, with Ferrari basically not in agreement with everyone else.
All I can agree on is allowing tire changes.
But apart from that, I haven't seen such a load of crap since the manure truck overturned.

manchild
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It was him (them) Ferrari who insisted on "one race-one tyre rule" less than a year ago!!! :^o

All 9 teams were against "one race-one tyre rule" except Ferrari :!: :sick:

Now that their own "recipe" failed to bring them domination in this season they start whining about their own decisions! :-({|=

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Hudsonhawk
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Dave.

Forgive me (actually...dont), but arent you a Ferrari lover? Its funny how so many are starting to distance themselves from that team!

Catchya on the Highway

EDIT by Tomba: driver issues are way off topic here

DaveKillens
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Heck Hudson, I'm sure that I have praised Ferrari at times, I won't deny it for a second. But I try not to look at a situation with blinders, I try to look at both the good and bad sides of everyone and everything.
I admire Alfred Neubauer because I believe he made the greatest impact on racing, despite the fact he was seriously obese, something I don't appreciate.
Same with the present Ferrari team. Their success didn't just happen, they worked very hard, made the right decisions, and earned everything they have. But I also don't like their "win at all costs" approach, and manner of politics they play. The last time I truly cheered for a Ferrari was when Gilles drove for them. So please, don't consider me a Ferrari fan, I just happen to respect some of their accomplishments.
I called de Montezemolo a hypocrite, but I also have to admit he's got balls, probably more than Maggie Thatcher.

manchild
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Dave you mentioned it all in this previous post but it still sounds controversial. They didn't "earned everything they have", they got it not due to "working very hard, making the right decisions" but most of all due to "win at all costs approach" - just as you said it.

To me “earning” considers honesty. When someone gets something suspiciously, controversially than it can't be called earning.

All teams work very hard but they don't have their members sitting at FIA.

DaveKillens
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Good point Manchild, maybe my choice of the word "earned" is not applicable in that context. How about "obtained"?
I don't like the manner in which Ferrari got on top, but I also keep in mind that behind the scenes, there are many hard working people who put in countless hours, and work very hard to be part of Ferrari's success. The people who make the decisions, the people we see on camera, like Todt and Schumacher, are capable of behavior that can be considerd not proper cricket. But even those ones put out a great effort. Take Shu for example. To be as great as he is, he has to commit himself to a physical training regimen that has to be admired. I don't know how many hours a week he spends training, but it must be tremendous.
So when I was using the word "earned". I was thinking of the engineers, the mechanics, and even Shu, who put out a great effort and devote countless hours to one thing, winning.
That being said, when the big cheese spews crap like he did, it throws a dark cloud of disrepute over an organazation that includes many hard working (and I'm sure, mostly honest) people who should be proud of their part in Ferrari's success.

manchild
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"Obtained" is fine :wink:

I understand your point regarding hard work of people behind the scenes but aren't all people in all teams working hard including the drivers? So if all of the team members in all teams work hard and if one team beats the others not as the result of hardest work than what?

That is my point, no one is allowed to get lazy in F1 and it is a shame that someone’s equal effort gets in the shade because of someone’s dishonesty as the prevailing factor.

As I’ve mentioned before – I’m Ferrari admirer who is pissed off by what Montzemolo, Todt, Brown and Shuey have done to Ferrari. I mean, they filled their pockets and they’ll leave sooner or later but there’ll always be this shade upon Ferrari when someone mentions 1996-2006 period. Bad results that Ferrari had from 1979 to 1995 never compromised Ferrari’s good name as much this previous “successful” decade did.

Nowadays, when someone says Ferrari everyone thinks – Shumacher, and that is sad because most of the young people will grow with that without being aware what Ferrari used to be, who Enzo was…

Comparing Schumacher with Gilles? Comparing Schumacher with Lauda? No way, never!

I wouldn’t even compare him with Alesi or Berger. Name me several Shuey’s great drives – true battles on track, great maneuvers…? Someone who is 7 times world champion must have at least dozen, right?

I don’t remember any except those shameful moves on Hill, Jacques and many “marvelous” overtaking of Irvine and Barrichello. Alesi at lest had that great race when he overtook everyone in just several laps even though he exited the pits on last position.
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DaveKillens
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I have to agree with everything you said. And yes, it's unfair to not mention each and every other team, the countless people behind the scenes who work so very, very hard.
And Shu? He will be remembered for his records, his ability to do quick laps, especially on the out lap. But as far as being able to race another competitor wheel to wheel, in a relatively clean manner? NO, he won't be remembered for any great passes, like Mansell, or other great racers. He will be remembered for exactly what he did more than once, make contact in an inappropriate manner.

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manchild
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5 “greatest” wins of MS where second on the list was won because his car was the only one on wet setup. Third “greatest” win got him one-race ban because he was “too aggressive in defending his position from Hill”. Fourth “greatest” win he made by overtaking Hakinnen while this one was in the pits. The fifth was also without any overtaking and maneuvers.

This is in compliance with what I said – he is 7 times WC, 15 seasons without memorable races. No overtaking in equalized battles, no great maneuvers. Just refueling tactics, superior car and helpful teammates. He was just good sometimes but nothing more than that. No greatness at all.

“The King of the Ardennes”? Damon Hill had same number of wins at Spa made from 1992 to 1999 as MS did from 1991 to 1999. Why Damon Hill wasn’t also called “The King of the Ardennes”?

BTW, three is a Visitor Poll on his official site with question “Who is the best driver ever?” and offered answers are Schuey, Senna, someone else!!!

This is what I call of-the-race-track personal characteristic mark. Using Senna’s name for personal promotion is shameful and disgusting! Even since Senna died he is constantly bragging how he is braking Senna’s records season after season.

He “conquered” the dead man… no comment!

http://www.mschumacher.com/welcome.html

:!: There are no sponsors on his personal web site who “force him” to put such things on-line :!:

DaveKillens
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I've had my rant but maybe we can agree we disagree. People are entitled to their opinions, and sometimes, just like religion, we're not going to change our attitudes easily.
Just like many, I've watched Shu's career on TV, I don't think there were any races I didn't see. I formed my opinions on the moment, and no arguments at this stage of his career will probably change my opinion.

West
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That isn't Michael Schumacher's official website.

http://sport.rtl.de/formel-1/michaelschumacher_home.php

This is.
Bring back wider rear wings, V10s, and tobacco advertisements

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The red mist in your head is clouding your vision manchild.

Some people think that using a wet setup while the others are using a dry setup was a stroke of a genius. But Im not trying to convince you that Schumacher is a better racedriver than Senna ever was. I am simply trying to tell you that if you make up your mind on a subject before you have any facts or knowledge on the subject you are beeing quite foolish my dear friend.

Good or bad you dont know and thats the point. Schumachers hard but fair driving along with charitywork and various promotional work(incl the FIA) for good causes makes alot of people see him as a modern knight in a red shining carbonfibre armour.

To me he seems quite ok.

/ Fx

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Kind of strange how many of you are now actually thinking about Michael Schumacher as a human being, rather than the talent who cannot do anything wrong.
I remember myself here last year getting cought in a discussion against 4 fans with only me going into him, his driving style etc.

The top5 of his best victories is indeed ridiculous, I don't see how you can really call that a TOP five.

It's worth nothing that he sometimes in his career even got a ban. Even more particular is that he did hardly get any punishment in the time when he was at Ferrari. I find that highly regrettable that, while it may not be obvious for the big crowd, Ferrari is visibly safeguarded by the FIA.

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Tomba wrote:
I find that highly regrettable that, while it may not be obvious for the big crowd, Ferrari is visibly safeguarded by the FIA.
Sorry but dont agree. I think its so obvious that even a blind man can see it. But thats fan(atics) for you, they either ignore it or somehow try to justify it.

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