Driver Matchup: Alonso vs Raikkonen (2014)

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Excellent news!

This pairing gives Ferrari so much fresh air and motiviation, hopefully the car will be competitive enough to take down the single RBR in 2014.

Just when F1 was nothing but dissapointment, this news really pumps me up! And I knew that keeping my Raikkonen helmet avatar would pay off sooner or later. lol
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mx_tifoso wrote:Excellent news!

This pairing gives Ferrari so much fresh air and motiviation, hopefully the car will be competitive enough to take down the single RBR in 2014.

Just when F1 was nothing but dissapointment, this news really pumps me up! And I knew that keeping my Raikkonen helmet avatar would pay off sooner or later. lol
Agreed, the sport needed some fresh air.
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My vote is for Alonso since he will feel the pressure to deliver. I really think Ferrari should have offered Newey a boat load of money if they really want to score points. ;)

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I think Ferrari won 6 straight WCCs and 5 straights WDCs against Newey, so I wonder whether they really need him???

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It might be difficult for Alonso, going from Massa to Kimi, no offence to Massa but he really didn't challenge him much, and now he is going to have to go up another level.

I wonder how he will react if Kimi starts beating him in the first few races, what I do know is there is going to be so much drama!

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It will be fun to watch Alonso vs The Ice Man at Ferrari next year. it looks like a message to Alonso that he needs to drive and shut up about driving other cars. Ferrari now have an alternative if Alonso starts throwing his toys again.
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Spot on WB, I think LdM and Co are getting tired of Alonso's remarks about the car. But the pressure is definitely constructive and both will have to deliver more than ever. These two guys are in the top 3 of the current field.
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Phillyred wrote:My vote is for Alonso since he will feel the pressure to deliver. I really think Ferrari should have offered Newey a boat load of money if they really want to score points. ;)
They have, again some time in this past year after first offer in early 90's if I remember what I read in some texts... Thing is, he likes Vettel and his wife still doesn't like Italy that much...
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mx_tifoso wrote:Spot on WB, I think LdM and Co are getting tired of Alonso's remarks about the car. But the pressure is definitely constructive and both will have to deliver more than ever. These two guys are in the top 3 of the current field.
Indeed. I also think this pretty much sets it straight that at Ferrari, no one is bigger than the team. And I think it hasn't been well perceived that Alonso, who many regard as the most complete driver on the grid, is better than what the team has been offering (even if there is some truth to that). With Kimi aboard, they can shift focus away from Alonso a bit. Also, a stronger team-mate has the potential to take away more points from the opposition. Now, the goal should be to finish in the WDC with both drivers somewhere between 2nd and 5th (worst-case), surely they should have a lot better cards in regards to the WCC even if another team walks away with the WDC. And I think Alonso seriously needs a push as does the team. Kimi will do that, I think.
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Just_a_fan wrote:Whilst Kimi is undoubtedly quick, he doesn't play the political games that make F1 run and that are central to Ferrari.
Kimi is back in Maranello even if Monte and Stefano did not hide in the past it's not the right place for him.
In 2010 he was paid better than any of active F1 drivers - for not driving for Ferrari.
He was rallying in his own team.
He funded his own motocross team
etc., etc.

He's not making so much fuss as others, but he knows what he's doing and he knows how to achieve his goals.

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mx_tifoso wrote:Spot on WB, I think LdM and Co are getting tired of Alonso's remarks about the car. But the pressure is definitely constructive and both will have to deliver more than ever. These two guys are in the top 3 of the current field.
Top 4 I'd say. Not getting down on any ranking, but disgarding Hamilton or Vettel isn't realistic.

It'll be a question how Raikkonen reacts to the different car. He settled in very quick at Lotus, but chances are, especially with such 'nutcase' like Kimi, it goes wrong at Ferrari.

Alonso is heavily competitive driven, combine that with Spanish blood and it isn't any surprise the occasional blur-out occurs. I think Luca knows that and isn't too concerned with what Alonso says, nor should he: Alonso will almost always perform, just like Kimi. The best way for both of them is starting from what the team wants and not what they individually want. The team mostly will be concerned about massively scoring points each race; doesn't really matter who ends in front of the other. They might interfere if one realistically isn't going to stand a chance in the WDC or tell them to hold ground in order to, let's say, save the engine or not taking a risk to collide.

If they are able to do that, going from the team's perspective, then they should be ok. Massa always did that, the reason why Kimi didn't protested against orders in 2008. Alonso probably would have done the same if Massa was in contention for the title and he wasn't. It is the attitude you expect from your teammate. If they are going to be selfish on the other hand, it'll be impossible to turn that around and you'll get animosity.
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I am a fan of both.

I favor Alonso to outperform Kimi, but it could get very hairy and go either way. As stated above it does breath new life into F1, even if Ferrari is not fighting for WDC's next year the inter-team battle between teammates should be entertaining.

It also helps us figure out who stands where between the two in driver performance to some degree.

I would say they are top 5, along with Lewis, Vettel and Button. I find it hard to discount either of those 3 in the top bracket. Where they fit in relation to each other, I can agree is mostly mere speculation and opinion at this stage.
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I think it is too early to do a comparo.
My money will be on Raikkonen though. :D

Also, I just want to say, this is the best news I've heard ALL YEAR.
Rejoice, for justice as prevailed. Now, I will support Ferrari again thanks to Raikkonen.

Lets hope Alonso won't create a spygate on Ferrari when he starts loosing... LOL

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mx_tifoso wrote:Spot on WB, I think LdM and Co are getting tired of Alonso's remarks about the car. But the pressure is definitely constructive and both will have to deliver more than ever. These two guys are in the top 3 of the current field.
This kind of reaction proves that it was in small part also a political move. It's evil Alonso now for wanting a better car and not incompetent Di Montezemolo for managing unsuccessful F1 team. Second driver's choice is least of Ferrari problems but because of marketable name fourth bad season in a row is for a while forgotten.

You don't need to look far for evidence: claim is that with better second driver Ferrari can fight for WCC, so let's see how many championships Ferrari lost because of Massa - zero, how many championship can Ferrari win in 2014-... with cars like in 2009-2013 - zero. It's always like that with politicians, selling people past (2007) and unspecified future to distract from not so nice presence and shifting attention.

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This has been very surprising and pleasant move, quite fearless from Kimi to go back to Ferrari that has been catered for Fernando.

There has been some thought before that they necessary don't prefer a similar car/setup, at least in Renault days Alonso had visibly an understeering car and Raikkonen has been said to like an accurate sharp frontend.