F2007 engine problems

mx_tifoso · Post 13 Feb 2007, 17:12

maybe we should get back to discussing the F2007 engine problems, and not about human nature related issues

Scuderia Ferrari 2007 WCC

FLC · Post 13 Feb 2007, 17:14

Kimi is on his 137th lap and still going. Massa with 82 and on top, more than half a sec. from the rest and almost 1.5 sec. faster than yesterday times... 'Nock ur woods, Tifosi

mx_tifoso · Post 13 Feb 2007, 18:26

the day is over in barcelona and the times are impressive for the Scuderia;

108 laps for Massa with the best time of the day OVERALL - 1:21:181
154 laps for Kimi with the SECOND best time of the day - 1:21:719

SF 2007 WCC

FLC · Post 13 Feb 2007, 18:30

I'd say the mileage covered is more impressive than the times, with Kimi covering 156 laps and Massa 107. Thats almost 2.4 GP distances for kimi and 1.6 for Massa.

manchild · Post 13 Feb 2007, 20:02

I wasn't being sarcastic and anti-Ferrari at all. All I said was that I don't remember Ferrari having so many engine blows during winter testing while Schuey was driving for them and of top of that when he drove engines didn't have limited rpm as they do now which makes current engine blows very suspicious.

Engines have limited weight too, so if they've already reached weight in 2006 and having in mind that they need to make engine have more torque and elasticity I've commented comments of intentional pushing to see engine's limits as illogical.

Limit is 19k, defined by limiter - not by engine's construction and capabilities. That is at least 2k than what Ferrari 2006 engines could make on testing. So why would engines that were running over 19k for several years start blowing before even reaching 19k?

Now throw back electrical problems in my face and I'll throw them in same basket with Ron's gearboxes.

johny · Post 13 Feb 2007, 20:09

this years mclaren favourite reason is oil related things. As for ferrari one it's not finding the limits, it's all about 19k revs

FLC · Post 13 Feb 2007, 20:17

MC, engine RPM isnt everything when it comes to reliability. Ferrari has made some modifications to the engine used last year, they changed the cooling setup and I suggest you also read here

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/56720 about something you obviously would think isnt very much related. You must remember that they are walking on thin ice when exploring the limits, and modifying all the above, and which we hope, after today, that they have got over it.

boban-mk · Post 13 Feb 2007, 20:20

manchild wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic and anti-Ferrari at all.

You are always.

manchild wrote:Ron's gearboxes.

Wasn't that Kimi's driving style.

sebbe · Post 13 Feb 2007, 20:24

Back to the technical discussion; How many teams use gold sheets in their cars to prevent heating problems? I've only seen pictures of the golden heat shields McLaren uses, but none else's.
About the MP4-18, I've found very few pictures, and certainly not in detail.
By the way, I was amazed at the look of the F2007 from above, it's really tight around the engine!

manchild · Post 13 Feb 2007, 20:35

boban-mk wrote:
manchild wrote:I wasn't being sarcastic and anti-Ferrari at all.
You are always.

What is sarcastic and anti-Ferrari in observation that during Schuey's era they never had so many engine blows when engines were really pushing limits? Try finding news from winter tests in 2006, 2005... and you'll notice same thing I did - Ferrari never had so many engine related problems. I only noticed that and made a comment how strange I find it.

boban-mk wrote:
manchild wrote:Ron's gearboxes.
Wasn't that Kimi's driving style.

Officially it wasn't. Gearboxes were official excuse just as electrical problems are for Ferrari engine blows.

allan · Post 13 Feb 2007, 22:39

honestly, im a big ferrari fan, but i didn't find any problem with what MC said. it's 100% true that ferrari are having more trouble than usual, which is really strange. Im not sure about this information, but maybe they are trying to get the maximum torque out of the engine at 19K, and that's why they're having such problems.
i was really surprised to see massa in front of kimi, and HALF A SECOND! man, is he really fast or what?? finally, 2 top drivers at ferrari, when was the last time this happened, eh?
What is more interesting is that the new front and rear wings seems to be slower than the old ones!

FLC · Post 13 Feb 2007, 23:41

I've heard an interesting comment on this somewhere... They say Kimi is running with more downforce than he sould because they dont want him losing control of the car at this point. He's supposed to get rid of it gradually. Dont know if that could be true though...

Deano_266 · Post 14 Feb 2007, 00:06

surely he would be able to handle an f1 car without as much downforce cos he drove for mclaren and sauber so i think hes just a tad bit used to an f1 car but then again they might handle differently

G-Rock · Post 14 Feb 2007, 00:23

Most Ferrari fans are people who could never ever afford them. It's so cliched.

I'm not anti Ferrari, just some bloke who's more realistic that's all. I'm not going to defend some team that has cars worth more than my house.

Come on, get real!!

boban-mk · Post 14 Feb 2007, 01:01

G-Rock wrote:Most Ferrari fans are people who could never ever afford them. It's so cliched.

I'm not anti Ferrari, just some bloke who's more realistic that's all. I'm not going to defend some team that has cars worth more than my house.

Come on, get real!!

If i was realistic as you, probably i would not watch any sport at all, for example football or basketball, because thay have bigger week salary then my live earnings.
You can buy really expensive Mercedes CLR or some sport model of reno for same or more money then ferarry. Also Ferrari is not just sports cars but also FIAT, and that is much cheaper car then all other car manufacturers in F1.
I'm not ferrary fan at all, but from now on i will be because i'm a fan of Kimi and before this i was a fan of McLaren, before that williams.