Badger wrote: ↑19 Mar 2026, 10:47
mzso wrote: ↑19 Mar 2026, 09:58
Badger wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 12:21
The idea that they are going to fix this by Japan seems supremely optimistic to me. There's no indication they've identified the core issue yet and engines have very long lead times. Honda has previous form for over-promising and under-delivering on "quick fixes". At the start of 2015 they were talking about podiums in the second half of the season, in reality they were stalling for time and trying to hide how far behind they really were. Today the vibes are eerily similar.
I listened to an interview with Mark Slade (former race engineer for Mika, Kimi, Alonso, and Michael), he suggested that these issues were going to set the project back by two years. For me that is a more realistic evaluation than what is being mentioned in here.
On the other hand bringing forward the engine design intended for one year later, when the F1 program was cancelled turned out really well.
Petebass wrote: ↑18 Mar 2026, 13:41
I agree. Nothing until 2027.
ADOU offers more freedom than what's possible between years.
In 2020 they were in a good position though, they had sorted out the big issues with the engine a couple of years earlier and they were only lacking a bit of power to the front. The crew was experienced and knew what they were doing. The project now reminds me more of 2015. A lot of major issues and a lot of inexperienced people.
ADUO offers more freedom to bring upgrades but the crucial bit is do you actually have significant upgrades to bring? The idea that Honda has a true second spec ready to go by race 6 I suspect is wishful thinking. Maybe later in the year, but will that then compromise the 2027 engine and making more fundamental changes? Adrian was alluding to it in Melbourne, they need to solve the vibration but they can’t lose sight of 2027 either, the priority needs to be a decent engine for next year.
I'm sure they will use both upgrades. How substantial it will be is a different matter. I don't know the timing, how long can they defer, or how early can they deploy an update. A vibration fix they'd want ASAP, but they might want to take their time with a performance upgrade.
Leon Kennedy wrote: ↑19 Mar 2026, 13:22
Consider that any improvements in 2026 will be used in 2027, so it's as if you're carrying over next year's spec. The point is that ADUO allows for two performance upgrades, I don't think they can do much anyway
I don't even think it makes sense to think of whichever year's engine. The engine formula is to remain for years to come. If I know right to a limited degree even the top engine can improve year over year, but they can always push reliability updates even during the year. And while someone has ADUO it's just continuous development.