2026 Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team

[Otromundo]

Why wouldn't they. They've been testing and analyzing it for a month now,.../... that or their rig was immune to and/or absorbent of vibrations.

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thats precisely where having a team full of engineers that have a history in f1 would make a difference .../... the guy that said that is working on solar preludes now though.

Maybe, we'll never know......

That's right. It's one of the things that pisses me off the most about racing competition: sometimes you'll never know.

[Rodak]

How the PU is mounted in the chassis???

From the 2026 F1 Technical Regulations:

5.6.17 Engine (ICE) mountings may only comprise six M12 studs for connection to the survival cell
and either four or six M12 studs for connection to the gearbox case. These studs may be
fitted on the survival cell, power unit or gearbox case, their installed end must be M12 and
their free end may be a different diameter.
The six mounting faces of the studs for connection to the survival cell must lie at [X PU, Y,
Z]=[0, ±270, 25], [0, ±360, 270] and [0, ±190, 440]. All six of these studs must be used.
The four mounting faces of the studs for connection to the gearbox case must lie at [X PU, Y,
Z]=[480, ±125, 25] and [480, ±265, 360]. All four of these studs must be used. Optionally, an
additional two studs may be used, provided their coordinates are at [X PU, Y, Z]= [480, ±150,
140].
A tolerance of +/- 0.2mm will be permitted on all of the above dimensions, all dimensions
refer to the centre of the studs. All dimensions in this Article refer to studs fitted
symmetrically about the car centre plane.
Any part which provides dditional load path, aside from the path through the studs defined
above, from the survival cell to the ICE or from the ICE to the gearbox case, is prohibited
unless this is incidental to its principal purpose. Furthermore any such part may provide no
greater structural connection between these pairs of assemblies than is reasonable for the
safe and reliable fulfilment of its purposes.

[mzso]

It was then AMR's job to manage Honda and they failed. You can blame AN, sure he has his share of blame, but the problem was probably already there by the time he joined. Cowell should have been managing that relationship before AN arrived. AN probably exasperated the issue by making late chassis changes.

I'm quite sure it was Honda management's job to manage Honda. I can't how it's AM's fault, if all they was told that everything's fine and AM leadership only got wind of Honda falling back on targets is via leaked rumors. If indeed that is how it happened, it's dishonest and a disrespectful.

Some reason my thoughts keep going to the missed testing at AVL in Graz Austria because AM was delayed with the chassis.

There were also rumors, that Honda made last minute changed to the engine design. So who knows...

[diffuser]

It was then AMR's job to manage Honda and they failed. You can blame AN, sure he has his share of blame, but the problem was probably already there by the time he joined. Cowell should have been managing that relationship before AN arrived. AN probably exasperated the issue by making late chassis changes.

I'm quite sure it was Honda management's job to manage Honda. I can't how it's AM's fault, if all they was told that everything's fine and AM leadership only got wind of Honda falling back on targets is via leaked rumors. If indeed that is how it happened, it's dishonest and a disrespectful.

Some reason my thoughts keep going to the missed testing at AVL in Graz Austria because AM was delayed with the chassis.

There were also rumors, that Honda made last minute changed to the engine design. So who knows...

Because if you don't, this can happen and it YOUR team.

[Bence]

Any chance Honda has a spare 2014/15 NSX GT500 chassis sitting around? Honda owns Suzuka so they they could copy Ferrari's 2013 "LMP1H testbed that just so happens to sound exactly like our 2014 F1 car, pure coincidence, trust us", if Sakura's test bench is insufficient to realistically test the engine.

...and the development prototypes of the AMG One were sooo handy... Merc discovered a win-win situ, because they could develop the powertrain further, THEN they were selling the roadgoing cars with a healthy marge.

So I'd urge Honda to do a hyper-NSX. For me it wouldn't matter if the prototypes would sound (distantly, of course) like an F1 car...

[Hoffman900]

The AMG One was not handy. They struggled to make that motor work on the street big time. TJI has big issues with anything outside WOT running, let alone emissions issues.

[Bence]

I wasn't talking about street usage, obviously...

[zoroastar]

It was then AMR's job to manage Honda and they failed. You can blame AN, sure he has his share of blame, but the problem was probably already there by the time he joined. Cowell should have been managing that relationship before AN arrived. AN probably exasperated the issue by making late chassis changes.

I'm quite sure it was Honda management's job to manage Honda. I can't how it's AM's fault, if all they was told that everything's fine and AM leadership only got wind of Honda falling back on targets is via leaked rumors. If indeed that is how it happened, it's dishonest and a disrespectful.

Some reason my thoughts keep going to the missed testing at AVL in Graz Austria because AM was delayed with the chassis.

There were also rumors, that Honda made last minute changed to the engine design. So who knows...

yeah this whole narrative of the "honda babysitter clause" is almost hysterical to me. what other formula 1 engine supplier gets a pass for under-performing because the guys that are in charge of designing the chassis didnt help them enough? honda is one of the largest, most accomplished motor manufacturers on the planet. building great engines is literally what they are famous for. in hindsight, yeah, they obviously needed all the help from aston that they couldve recieved, but i can see a better argument that aston had a monumental task at hand to make a competitive chassis with 4 months less time than the other teams. it would be nice if "the great engine manufacturer" could cover the power unit part of the equation. that is what they do right?? even if aston was told that honda were going to shuffle their talented NEW engineers into the project (doubtful they were told about that) and send the ones with f1 experience to other parts of the company, aston wouldve naturally thought that honda must know what theyre doing. otherwise, the fact that they would do that just sounds really amateur to me. i wonder if the chassis happens to suck, would honda get blamed? it seems to me like a serious case of an engine supplier half assing their project. always with one foot in and one foot out of the sport. they hopped back in last minute and didnt get their sh#$ together until they already had a disaster on their hands

if this sounds cynical, then i have accomplished something today

[ispano6]

People here think AMR suddenly becomes a top team after the start of a new chassis AND engine formula are dillusional. Only Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi really enjoy a true works arrangement and structure such that the engine department can work with the chassis department. AMR is a perfect example of Mclaren in 2015. Doesn't have act together, designer blames it on engineers.

Honda fans got the enjoyment of seeing their engine dominate another era of F1 with our hero Max and we'll just sit and watch and enjoy it do it all over again with another hero. AMR best learn from Mclaren that they ought to invest in Honda and a future world champion. If Antonelli becomes the favorite at Mercedes, Russell is a good option. Though I see Antonelli also going to Ferrari at some point as well. The Alonso connection may land Bortoleto an AMR drive, but I could also live with Stroll and Tsunoda to make both sides happy.

[collindsilva]

People here think AMR suddenly becomes a top team after the start of a new chassis AND engine formula are dillusional. Only Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi really enjoy a true works arrangement and structure such that the engine department can work with the chassis department. AMR is a perfect example of Mclaren in 2015. Doesn't have act together, designer blames it on engineers.

Honda fans got the enjoyment of seeing their engine dominate another era of F1 with our hero Max and we'll just sit and watch and enjoy it do it all over again with another hero. AMR best learn from Mclaren that they ought to invest in Honda and a future world champion. If Antonelli becomes the favorite at Mercedes, Russell is a good option. Though I see Antonelli also going to Ferrari at some point as well. The Alonso connection may land Bortoleto an AMR drive, but I could also live with Stroll and Tsunoda to make both sides happy.

It was the hype created due to arrival of Newey and Honda.
To be a top team suddenly with the change in regulations was realistically not expected. However, AMR should have at least a midfield team, was not expected to be at bottom.

[Cassius]

People here think AMR suddenly becomes a top team after the start of a new chassis AND engine formula are dillusional. Only Mercedes, Ferrari, Audi really enjoy a true works arrangement and structure such that the engine department can work with the chassis department. AMR is a perfect example of Mclaren in 2015. Doesn't have act together, designer blames it on engineers.

Honda fans got the enjoyment of seeing their engine dominate another era of F1 with our hero Max and we'll just sit and watch and enjoy it do it all over again with another hero. AMR best learn from Mclaren that they ought to invest in Honda and a future world champion. If Antonelli becomes the favorite at Mercedes, Russell is a good option. Though I see Antonelli also going to Ferrari at some point as well. The Alonso connection may land Bortoleto an AMR drive, but I could also live with Stroll and Tsunoda to make both sides happy.

It was the hype created due to arrival of Newey and Honda.
To be a top team suddenly with the change in regulations was realistically not expected. However, AMR should have at least a midfield team, was not expected to be at bottom.

Don't forget RBPT, which is the only team with Ferrari where chassis and engine operations are located on the same campus.

[etusch]

Don't forget RBPT, which is the only team with Ferrari where chassis and engine operations are located on the same campus.

Why it is so important ? At the end, chassis and engine will be developed separately and when the marriage time came both come together anyway. Miscalculation or design issues can be everytime. Especially when you want to do something different.
I read somewhere that Ferrari also aim to develop a new engine to match power of merc. As you know Ferrari is in F1 from the start. They have very good experience for F1 engines. I can say that even merc learnt how to make "a reliable F1 engine" from Ferrari in a different way and it seems they liked that way very much. Anyway. As you see Ferrari also could make wrong steps still. Or when you do it right, it can become wrong because what cause merc engine power higher than them. My point is that, Ferrari make AVL their engine tests despite so much experience. So maybe Honda also should make test outside, peoples who came from different engineering school.

[Badger]

The idea that they are going to fix this by Japan seems supremely optimistic to me. There's no indication they've identified the core issue yet and engines have very long lead times. Honda has previous form for over-promising and under-delivering on "quick fixes". At the start of 2015 they were talking about podiums in the second half of the season, in reality they were stalling for time and trying to hide how far behind they really were. Today the vibes are eerily similar.

I listened to an interview with Mark Slade (former race engineer for Mika, Kimi, Alonso, and Michael), he suggested that these issues were going to set the project back by two years. For me that is a more realistic evaluation than what is being mentioned in here.

[Leon Kennedy]

The idea that they are going to fix this by Japan seems supremely optimistic to me. There's no indication they've identified the core issue yet and engines have very long lead times. Honda has previous form for over-promising and under-delivering on "quick fixes". At the start of 2015 they were talking about podiums in the second half of the season, in reality they were stalling for time and trying to hide how far behind they really were. Today the vibes are eerily similar.

I listened to an interview with Mark Slade (former race engineer for Mika, Kimi, Alonso, and Michael), he suggested that these issues were going to set the project back by two years. For me that is a more realistic evaluation than what is being mentioned in here.

In the span of a regulatory era, it's not really two years; you never really recover. Only by changing the regulations can you hope to recover. Anyone who says 2027 or 2028 doesn't remember how turbo hybrid F1 works. The others will always continue to improve, you can be faster than them by 1-2 tenths maximum, but recovering 4 seconds is literally impossible.


Our hope is that they don't have an intrinsic deficit of 80 hp, but of 20 hp maximum and that 60 hp blocked by reliability. If they really had 80 hp less, they are looking at dark years. For this reason we hope that in Japan they will unlock the detuned engine (if it were true) and we hope it does not have a high deficit

[Jambier]

I listened to an interview with Mark Slade (former race engineer for Mika, Kimi, Alonso, and Michael), he suggested that these issues were going to set the project back by two years. For me that is a more realistic evaluation than what is being mentioned in here.

So sad for Fernando... incredibly unlucky guy
Those engine regulations are supposed to be far easier from the previous one, so maybe we can still hope for 2027 having a "normal" , average engine and one final win before retiring.