2025 Miami Grand Prix - Miami USA, May 02-04

[SB15]

"lifted off more for whatever reason"....lol, it's called a waved yellow for some reason...The silvers care about safety and judgement when a Red Bull is being let out into the side of a Mercedes, but not when there's waved yellows that they can speed through when there are potentially marshalls on the circuit...Go figure.

The minute you let these loonies disregard waved yellows so they can keep their laptime up, is when someone will get killed.

Albon didn't lift at all. Antonelli lifted even less than George. These are all protestable (including George). Penalty points at minimum.

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Single waved yellow. Max is smart and I guarantee he exaggerated the lift off to try and make a point.

Either way, if they go with precedent then GR is fine.

Heaven forbid Max lifted in the name of safety. That's exactly the problem here. One looks at the situation and sees gamesmanship, rather than a driver taking great caution because there are waved yellows.

You're worried about safety and not want to discuss the moves makes Max on track from this race? LOL

Either way, stuff like this is making Toto more and more likely to not sign Verstappen even if the opportunity presented itself.

[AR3-GP]

You're worried about safety and not want to discuss the moves makes Max on track from this race? LOL

What does this have to do with yellow flags?

Either way, stuff like this is making Toto more and more likely to not sign Verstappen even if the opportunity presented itself.

Being detail oriented is one of many reasons why Toto Wolff wanted to sign Max Verstappen.

[SB15]

You're worried about safety and not want to discuss the moves makes Max on track from this race? LOL

This is not a serious comment.

Either way, stuff like this is making Toto more and more likely to not sign Verstappen even if the opportunity presented itself.

Being detail oriented is one of many reasons why Toto Wolff wanted to sign Max Verstappen.

George was literally the only other driver to see Lando over the start line in Bahrain. Piastri literally pointed out a flashing red light blinking on a balcony in Jeddah through the sector 1 which is a very fast section. All drivers are very detail oriented, don't alienate Verstappen like he has eagle sight when many drivers across the grid have the same vision.

[AR3-GP]

You're worried about safety and not want to discuss the moves makes Max on track from this race? LOL

This is not a serious comment.

Either way, stuff like this is making Toto more and more likely to not sign Verstappen even if the opportunity presented itself.

Being detail oriented is one of many reasons why Toto Wolff wanted to sign Max Verstappen.

George was literally the only other driver to see Lando over the start line in Bahrain. Piastri literally pointed out a flashing light blinking in Jeddah. All drivers are very detail oriented, don't alienate Verstappen like he has eagle sight when many drivers across the grid have the same vision.

I didn't claim that Verstappen was the only detail oriented driver. I rejected your claim that being detail oriented is a reason that Toto Wolff would avoid signing Verstappen. You said:

Either way, stuff like this is making Toto more and more likely to not sign Verstappen even if the opportunity presented itself.

It's not the way someone in the position of Toto Wolff thinks. Turning your toughest competitor into your own asset is the way a good team principal thinks. That's why Verstappen was sought after even after the baggage of 2021...

Look at the people that Mclaren hired from Red Bull. If Zak Brown were so unwise as to hold grudges against his competition, he would never have hired Rob Marshall who was responsible for some of the exploits and design culture that Zak Brown criticized Red Bull for having a history of.

[SB15]

This is not a serious comment.



Being detail oriented is one of many reasons why Toto Wolff wanted to sign Max Verstappen.

George was literally the only other driver to see Lando over the start line in Bahrain. Piastri literally pointed out a flashing light blinking in Jeddah. All drivers are very detail oriented, don't alienate Verstappen like he has eagle sight when many drivers across the grid have the same vision.

I didn't claim that Verstappen was the only detail oriented driver. I rejected your claim that being detail oriented is a reason that Toto Wolff would avoid signing Verstappen. You said:

Either way, stuff like this is making Toto more and more likely to not sign Verstappen even if the opportunity presented itself.

It's far from the reality and it's not the way someone in the position of Toto Wolff thinks. Turning your toughest competitor into your own asset is the way a good team principal thinks.

Look at the people that Mclaren hired from Red Bull. If Zak Brown were so unwise as to hold grudges against his competition, he would never have hired Rob Marshall.

How's that working out for Ferrari and actually no, how's that working out for Aston Martin when they signed Fallows? Remember when Alonso signed with Mclaren in 2014, I bet that was a great move....

Sometimes It can be a good thing, other times, it could be really bad. Max is without the question the best driver, but he is the best at keeping the structure within the team and developing a car to where it benefits both drivers? That's a real argument you can make, Alonso can say so.

Signing Verstappen is still a massive risk for any other team. Even if he gets you to victories and championship, you ultimately have to think about the long run for both drivers for the future especially internally.

[AR3-GP]

George was literally the only other driver to see Lando over the start line in Bahrain. Piastri literally pointed out a flashing light blinking in Jeddah. All drivers are very detail oriented, don't alienate Verstappen like he has eagle sight when many drivers across the grid have the same vision.

I didn't claim that Verstappen was the only detail oriented driver. I rejected your claim that being detail oriented is a reason that Toto Wolff would avoid signing Verstappen. You said:

Either way, stuff like this is making Toto more and more likely to not sign Verstappen even if the opportunity presented itself.

It's far from the reality and it's not the way someone in the position of Toto Wolff thinks. Turning your toughest competitor into your own asset is the way a good team principal thinks.

Look at the people that Mclaren hired from Red Bull. If Zak Brown were so unwise as to hold grudges against his competition, he would never have hired Rob Marshall.

How's that working out for Ferrari and actually no, how's that working out for Aston Martin when they signed Fallows? Remember when Alonso signed with Mclaren in 2014, I bet that was a great move....

Sometimes It can be a good thing, other times, it could be really bad. Max is without the question the best driver, but he is the best at keeping the structure within the team and developing a car to where it benefits both drivers? That's a real argument you can make, Alonso can say so.

Signing Verstappen is still a massive risk for any other team. Even if he gets you to victories and championship, you ultimately have to think about the long run for both drivers for the future especially internally.

Everyone is gambling on moves to get what they want (to win). You have to let it play out. It didn't go so well for Fallows but from what Zak Brown said, Rob Marshall is having an impact that was more than worth the cost. Not every move will be the right one, but some of them will be, and at the minimum you destabilize your competitor.

I have no comment on Ferrari. It is a complex organization.

[SB15]

I didn't claim that Verstappen was the only detail oriented driver. I rejected your claim that being detail oriented is a reason that Toto Wolff would avoid signing Verstappen. You said:



It's far from the reality and it's not the way someone in the position of Toto Wolff thinks. Turning your toughest competitor into your own asset is the way a good team principal thinks.

Look at the people that Mclaren hired from Red Bull. If Zak Brown were so unwise as to hold grudges against his competition, he would never have hired Rob Marshall.

How's that working out for Ferrari and actually no, how's that working out for Aston Martin when they signed Fallows? Remember when Alonso signed with Mclaren in 2014, I bet that was a great move....

Sometimes It can be a good thing, other times, it could be really bad. Max is without the question the best driver, but he is the best at keeping the structure within the team and developing a car to where it benefits both drivers? That's a real argument you can make, Alonso can say so.

Signing Verstappen is still a massive risk for any other team. Even if he gets you to victories and championship, you ultimately have to think about the long run for both drivers for the future especially internally.

Everyone is gambling on moves to get what they want (to win). You have to let it play out. It didn't go so well for Fallows but from what Zak Brown said, Rob Marshall is having an impact that was more than worth the cost. Not every move will be the right one, but some of them will be, and at the minimum you destabilize your competitor.

I have no comment on Ferrari. It is a complex organization.

Okay whatever. Gasly failed to slow for waved yellow flag, only got a warning. So, George should be the same or nothing at all.

[Matt2725]

Yeah the Gasly outcome suggests nobody is getting penalised over that yellow flag.

Edit: Just a warning for Sainz too. Also Merc just posted a few mins ago saying they're leaving with silverware, so I suspect that's that.

[SB15]

Yeah the Gasly outcome suggests nobody is getting penalised over that yellow flag.

Edit: Just a warning for Sainz too. Also Merc just posted a few mins ago saying they're leaving with silverware, so I suspect that's that.

Protest Rejected

[venkyhere]

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@adamcooperf1

Please I need a WDC fight between George and Verstappen

The way it's going that is 'on' only for P3 in WDC, no way its happening otherwise with 1s/lap faster McLarens

[zeph]

The tire delta was massive today, but that won't be the case everywhere.

I think McLaren has got this, but it won't consistently be 30s up the road.

[AR3-GP]

The tire delta was massive today, but that won't be the case everywhere.

I think McLaren has got this, but it won't consistently be 30s up the road.

They had the pace to be 30 seconds up the road in Aus, China, Bahrain, and Miami. 10-12 seconds in front of Max in Suzuka and Jeddah. Dominant by any metric.

It's not about a tire delta. This pace difference was already there in the very first laps. Look at the ease with which Norris overcame both Mercedes cars within the first 8 laps. He took Russell into T5....that's not even an overtaking spot... They say you need 1-1.2 seconds advantage to overtake. That's exactly what Mclaren had from the word go.

[kurtj]

Looking back at it, it seems like Oscar dummied Max into that overtake. He kept his car on the outside and made it look like he was going on the outside which made Max to do his usual thing of going deep into the corner to run the car on the outside, out of the track, but Oscar slammed the brake and let Max go deep and then pulled the overtake. Max was never trying to make the corner properly. It was obvious. That was really sharp racing by Oscar. Other drivers would have tried to keep the momentum on the outside and try and overtake, but then Max would do the usual thing of running them out of track. Nice trick there by Oscar.

[venkyhere]

The Mclaren's biggest adv over the field is not just tyre management.
They have tremendous advantage with mechanical grip. It shows up in slow non-aero corners in terms of superb rotation (excellent front end grip) and great traction at these corner exits as well (excellent rear end grip). This will help McLaren pull off such 1/2 to 1 minute gap finishes at places like Monaco/Singapore/Baku/Austria etc.
Most people think McLaren is scoring over the field with their aero and tyre heat management. I say they are scoring with their sheer mechanical grip as well, borne out of clever suspension design.

[DiogoBrand]

Looking back at it, it seems like Oscar dummied Max into that overtake. He kept his car on the outside and made it look like he was going on the outside which made Max to do his usual thing of going deep into the corner to run the car on the outside, out of the track, but Oscar slammed the brake and let Max go deep and then pulled the overtake. Max was never trying to make the corner properly. It was obvious. That was really sharp racing by Oscar. Other drivers would have tried to keep the momentum on the outside and try and overtake, but then Max would do the usual thing of running them out of track. Nice trick there by Oscar.

Honestly, I was on the fence before, but that one move was a good display that maybe Oscar is more championship material than Lando. Being able to use Max's own dirty tactics against him that way is a stark contrast to Lando, who always seem to have a lot more difficulty in that situation.
The fact of the matter is, Max is probably gonna keep getting away with his usual BS this season (even more than usual) because the FIA wants to keep the WDC fight alive for as long as possible, so both McLaren guys will have to learn to deal with it. If Oscar keeps behaving the way he did today that can be a big advantage over Norris.