Yup, RUS confirmed in the pen interview.
Quite strange, why even run if you’re on used with no prospect of going faster??
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Yup, RUS confirmed in the pen interview.
They are 3rd best car by quite a margin for the whole season. It got better through the year than how it started, but still a large gap. A few races where Ferrari dropped the ball made it look better for Mercedes. They have lacked straight line performance all year long. I don't think the drag part holds much water. Red Bull put a lot more wing for Monza and Mercedes went with far far less, yet were slower through the straights. They lack engine power.
I think they converged for FP3/quali; looked like the same wing config to me.
I do not think this car comes off corners very well, and this may limit how quickly they come up to speed on the straights and overally top speed. Also they tend to brake earlier than the other cars because of the instability of the aero. So there could be many reasons why they dont do well on the straights.mendis wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 18:07They are 3rd best car by quite a margin for the whole season. It got better through the year than how it started, but still a large gap. A few races where Ferrari dropped the ball made it look better for Mercedes. They have lacked straight line performance all year long. I don't think the drag part holds much water. Red Bull put a lot more wing for Monza and Mercedes went with far far less, yet were slower through the straights. They lack engine power.
The traction issue (I.e not coming off corners well) seems to be shared with the McLaren, both cars which suffer from high drag and therefore generally will have lower downforce (and therefore lower traction) in order to achieve a similar top end speed to other cars.ringo wrote: ↑11 Sep 2022, 06:03I do not think this car comes off corners very well, and this may limit how quickly they come up to speed on the straights and overally top speed. Also they tend to brake earlier than the other cars because of the instability of the aero. So there could be many reasons why they dont do well on the straights.mendis wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 18:07They are 3rd best car by quite a margin for the whole season. It got better through the year than how it started, but still a large gap. A few races where Ferrari dropped the ball made it look better for Mercedes. They have lacked straight line performance all year long. I don't think the drag part holds much water. Red Bull put a lot more wing for Monza and Mercedes went with far far less, yet were slower through the straights. They lack engine power.
I do believe these struggles will help them to build a much better car for the next 2 years.
The drag issue was demonstrated on this forum early on in the season by Vanja, lack out outwash from the bodywork causes front wheel wake to crash into the rear wheels much more than other teams designs.mendis wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 18:07They are 3rd best car by quite a margin for the whole season. It got better through the year than how it started, but still a large gap. A few races where Ferrari dropped the ball made it look better for Mercedes. They have lacked straight line performance all year long. I don't think the drag part holds much water. Red Bull put a lot more wing for Monza and Mercedes went with far far less, yet were slower through the straights. They lack engine power.
Both at 337-338 km/h at same distance slipstream. Definitely on the lower side compared to rest of the grid (lec, ver 343/342 kmh).
Something that an internet forum member demonstrating using a few basic tools with no real world data, was missed by one of history's best teams, with enormous funding, tools, talent and data? That doesn't cut it.Mchamilton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2022, 10:35The drag issue was demonstrated on this forum early on in the season by Vanja, lack out outwash from the bodywork causes front wheel wake to crash into the rear wheels much more than other teams designs.mendis wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 18:07They are 3rd best car by quite a margin for the whole season. It got better through the year than how it started, but still a large gap. A few races where Ferrari dropped the ball made it look better for Mercedes. They have lacked straight line performance all year long. I don't think the drag part holds much water. Red Bull put a lot more wing for Monza and Mercedes went with far far less, yet were slower through the straights. They lack engine power.
I don't know about Vanja but there's more than a few very knowledgeable people around here... It's not that far fetched to imagine Mercedes making a mistake and if so that doesn't say anything about them being knowledgeable or not.mendis wrote: ↑11 Sep 2022, 11:37Something that an internet forum member demonstrating using a few basic tools with no real world data, was missed by one of history's best teams, with enormous funding, tools, talent and data? That doesn't cut it.Mchamilton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2022, 10:35The drag issue was demonstrated on this forum early on in the season by Vanja, lack out outwash from the bodywork causes front wheel wake to crash into the rear wheels much more than other teams designs.mendis wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 18:07They are 3rd best car by quite a margin for the whole season. It got better through the year than how it started, but still a large gap. A few races where Ferrari dropped the ball made it look better for Mercedes. They have lacked straight line performance all year long. I don't think the drag part holds much water. Red Bull put a lot more wing for Monza and Mercedes went with far far less, yet were slower through the straights. They lack engine power.
Wasn't really missed, they know they're draggy and know why I'm sure. they were never going to change the whole sidepods concept mid season, when they had a massive porpoising problem to solvemendis wrote: ↑11 Sep 2022, 11:37Something that an internet forum member demonstrating using a few basic tools with no real world data, was missed by one of history's best teams, with enormous funding, tools, talent and data? That doesn't cut it.Mchamilton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2022, 10:35The drag issue was demonstrated on this forum early on in the season by Vanja, lack out outwash from the bodywork causes front wheel wake to crash into the rear wheels much more than other teams designs.mendis wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 18:07They are 3rd best car by quite a margin for the whole season. It got better through the year than how it started, but still a large gap. A few races where Ferrari dropped the ball made it look better for Mercedes. They have lacked straight line performance all year long. I don't think the drag part holds much water. Red Bull put a lot more wing for Monza and Mercedes went with far far less, yet were slower through the straights. They lack engine power.
The model used was the Barcelona "pre-car" so using that as evidence of anything related to the current car isn’t helpful.Mchamilton wrote: ↑11 Sep 2022, 10:35The drag issue was demonstrated on this forum early on in the season by Vanja, lack out outwash from the bodywork causes front wheel wake to crash into the rear wheels much more than other teams designs.mendis wrote: ↑10 Sep 2022, 18:07They are 3rd best car by quite a margin for the whole season. It got better through the year than how it started, but still a large gap. A few races where Ferrari dropped the ball made it look better for Mercedes. They have lacked straight line performance all year long. I don't think the drag part holds much water. Red Bull put a lot more wing for Monza and Mercedes went with far far less, yet were slower through the straights. They lack engine power.
