2025 McLaren F1 Team

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Macklaren wrote:
13 Jun 2025, 21:08
Nowhere in FP1. season is over. Time for Zak and Andrea to resign 😁
Sarcasm. Don't get "them" started Macklaren! :lol:

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Oh my days! What a screw up.
Full effect of the flexi wing has been felt, they brought a new front wing which has the same amount of downforce as an RSJ. They’ve redesigned their front suspension to suit their second driver.
What a load of jokers!
Just a fan's point of view

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CjC wrote:
13 Jun 2025, 21:47
Oh my days! What a screw up.
Full effect of the flexi wing has been felt, they brought a new front wing which has the same amount of downforce as an RSJ. They’ve redesigned their front suspension to suit their second driver.
What a load of jokers!
What next… wet tyres in the dry, and hard tyres for a safeT car restart?

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Definitely some testing in FP1 and bit of flow vis.

We basically saw a load of cars struggling on this pathetic tyre, a few slides and offs up and down the field.

FP2 will reveal more and looks as if some teams if not most could qualify on mediums tomorrow?

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These updates doesn't look good so far.

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pantherxxx wrote:
13 Jun 2025, 22:30
These updates doesn't look good so far.
The wings are test parts, not necessarily updates for now.

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We were only testing in FP1. FP2 should be more representative to show something.

Interesting so far. I'm convinced the engine is down. Much better that last lap but the soft doesn't seem to be any faster than the medium.

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Merc are definately a threat here. Think McLaren had slightly better long run pace though.
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Mclarens suspension geometry change, to address the issue of a lack.of feeling at the front.

Norris testing long-awaited fix for 'numb' McLaren issue - The Race https://share.google/wkYf4X5RGg01ruMGG
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mwillems wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 07:09
Mclarens suspension geometry change, to address the issue of a lack.of feeling at the front.

Norris testing long-awaited fix for 'numb' McLaren issue - The Race https://share.google/wkYf4X5RGg01ruMGG
It may be that the "numbness", antidive, and the strong front end bite of the MCL39 are part and parcel. Eliminate or mitigate the numbness by reducing the antidive geometry and you lose the class-leading (or RedBull) front end strength. Max's teammates struggle with it, Lando struggles with it, Oscar is more coy about it.

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BMMR61 wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 08:13
mwillems wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 07:09
Mclarens suspension geometry change, to address the issue of a lack.of feeling at the front.

Norris testing long-awaited fix for 'numb' McLaren issue - The Race https://share.google/wkYf4X5RGg01ruMGG
It may be that the "numbness", antidive, and the strong front end bite of the MCL39 are part and parcel. Eliminate or mitigate the numbness by reducing the antidive geometry and you lose the class-leading (or RedBull) front end strength. Max's teammates struggle with it, Lando struggles with it, Oscar is more coy about it.
Yes this was my assertion previously. I don't think this is the first change they've brought, I believe they had been bringing other changes under the skin that might help it, is what I understand from snippets the team have alluded to.

Makes me wonder if making actual changes to the suspension geometry is something they preferred not to do. Even so, the changes to this geometry don't look crazy.

I think that the geometry makes the forces more vertical, i.e. they don't push into the car and less of the energy is going into the dampers or perhaps through other attachment points, which helps the car keep a strong horizontal contact patch.

Which comes back to the fact that they can try to make the attachment points or dampers more sensitive to the forces, but after that, perhaps all they can do is adjust the geometry a little.

But who knows, I likely don't know what I'm talking about.
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Doesn't seem to be helping much. Have they brought the original spec with in case? And would they run both versions if Lando prefers new one while Oscar prefers the old?

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BMMR61 wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 08:13
mwillems wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 07:09
Mclarens suspension geometry change, to address the issue of a lack.of feeling at the front.

Norris testing long-awaited fix for 'numb' McLaren issue - The Race https://share.google/wkYf4X5RGg01ruMGG
It may be that the "numbness", antidive, and the strong front end bite of the MCL39 are part and parcel. Eliminate or mitigate the numbness by reducing the antidive geometry and you lose the class-leading (or RedBull) front end strength. Max's teammates struggle with it, Lando struggles with it, Oscar is more coy about it.
Max and Lando both like a pointy front end whilst Oscar prefers a little more understeer. So this doesn't make much sense. You don't need antidive for front end bite.

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Waz wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 13:18
Doesn't seem to be helping much. Have they brought the original spec with in case? And would they run both versions if Lando prefers new one while Oscar prefers the old?
Lando said that the upgrades don’t help him much on feeling the front.

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billamend wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 15:33
Waz wrote:
14 Jun 2025, 13:18
Doesn't seem to be helping much. Have they brought the original spec with in case? And would they run both versions if Lando prefers new one while Oscar prefers the old?
Lando said that the upgrades don’t help him much on feeling the front.
Looking at the way others are struggling to get the front end bite just to stay on the track here, it's too early to make those comments in my opinion. Of course we don't know enough of what the team have been running across the two cars but it looks like as the track rubbers in it's coming back to them. Mercedes do look almost untouchable at these temperatures though.