Ross Brawn says F1 cars from 2021 need to look sensational, like 'video games'

[strad]

Seriously?
You think any real racer would rather lose with a beautiful car than win with an ugly one?

[KeiKo403]

We know the racer isn’t bothered about looks, 19/20 drivers lose anyway. But we as fans consume F1 with our eyes. I feel the cars have to be visually appealing.

[digitalrurouni]

Let's see what the video game cars have going for them - safety because closed cockpit like a fighter jet, they got wheels covered so aero is better. They look exciting and futuristic. I say Ross Brawn is on the right track. F1 needs to evolve and move forward not harken back to the 'golden' era which most people like to view with rose tinted goggles. I also read that he tried to get everyone to agree on a simpler front wing and Ferrari with their veto power overturned it. I believe in Ross Brawn. Ross Brawn for President!

[santos]

Let's see what the video game cars have going for them - safety because closed cockpit like a fighter jet, they got wheels covered so aero is better. They look exciting and futuristic. I say Ross Brawn is on the right track. F1 needs to evolve and move forward not harken back to the 'golden' era which most people like to view with rose tinted goggles. I also read that he tried to get everyone to agree on a simpler front wing and Ferrari with their veto power overturned it. I believe in Ross Brawn. Ross Brawn for President!

Where did you read that? Didn't see any news about a simpler front wing and a Ferrari veto on that.

[digitalrurouni]

Let's see what the video game cars have going for them - safety because closed cockpit like a fighter jet, they got wheels covered so aero is better. They look exciting and futuristic. I say Ross Brawn is on the right track. F1 needs to evolve and move forward not harken back to the 'golden' era which most people like to view with rose tinted goggles. I also read that he tried to get everyone to agree on a simpler front wing and Ferrari with their veto power overturned it. I believe in Ross Brawn. Ross Brawn for President!

Where did you read that? Didn't see any news about a simpler front wing and a Ferrari veto on that.

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2018/01/19/ ... next-year/

I am not sure what the policy is on this forum on sharing links to other websites so mods feel free to edit delete my post I am going against the rules.

[NathanOlder]

Seriously?
You think any real racer would rather lose with a beautiful car than win with an ugly one?

Its not about losing or winning for christ sake! Its about a faster ugly formula or a slower better looking formula.

If you had to chose beautiful cars that do a lap in 1.30.000 or ugly cars that do a 1.29.000 which would you choose?

They are not competing against each other, they are just a choice of formula. Only 1 can exist, which would you want as a fan/driver/ team owner.

[strad]

you have completely lost the thread old boy.

[Vanja #66]

Let's see what the video game cars have going for them - safety because closed cockpit like a fighter jet, they got wheels covered so aero is better. They look exciting and futuristic. I say Ross Brawn is on the right track. F1 needs to evolve and move forward not harken back to the 'golden' era which most people like to view with rose tinted goggles. I also read that he tried to get everyone to agree on a simpler front wing and Ferrari with their veto power overturned it. I believe in Ross Brawn. Ross Brawn for President!

Where did you read that? Didn't see any news about a simpler front wing and a Ferrari veto on that.

https://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2018/01/19/ ... next-year/

I am not sure what the policy is on this forum on sharing links to other websites so mods feel free to edit delete my post I am going against the rules.

Well, that kind of change and simplification isn't in any of the teams' interest in this moment. Front wing is the most influential in shaping the airflow around the car, so this would mess with all the teams' plans for 2019, and they are surely already on it to some extent. Just because Ferrari has that veto, don't think other teams wouldn't use it. Zetsche explained current relation of Ferrari and Mercedes (in my view) as sibling rivalry on track, and brotherly love behind the closed doors.

[NathanOlder]

you have completely lost the thread old boy.

I thought talking about the looks of the cars is exactly what the thread was about young fluff.

[Big Tea]

If all the cars are to the same regs, we will have good racing (provided the regs allow it) so it is not about nice v nasty, just what is nice and what is nasty

[AJI]

you have completely lost the thread old boy.

Has he strad? The title of this thread starts with, "Ross Brawn says F1 cars from 2021 need to look sensational...", not 'go faster and to hell with the looks...'

I don't think anyone would disagree with your point that a driver will always take a fast ugly car over a slow pretty one, but this is an argument about aesthetics.

Aesthetics is a personal thing, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied, and while you never answered my question about whether you thought the 2014 'dong' noses were aesthetically pleasing, I'm guessing that if the 2014 Williams didn't have a 'dong' nose you would have preferred the look of one over the other?

[strad]

Did you read Brawn's statements?
He said that to appease certain viewers that how the cars look is more important than function.

They've almost got to look like derivatives of video games

Lets see, WHY? Not to go fast but rather to satisfy those who are more concerned with looks than function.
If you disagree, I'm sorry but that's how I read it.
It seems pretty clear to me that many value style over substance these days, not just in this but in many areas of life.

[zac510]

As far as I can tell video games seem quite obsesses with real-life simulation and historical recreation so if F1 does that we might end up with some kind of recursion

[AJI]

Did you read Brawn's statements?
He said that to appease certain viewers that how the cars look is more important than function.

They've almost got to look like derivatives of video games

Lets see, WHY? Not to go fast but rather to satisfy those who are more concerned with looks than function.
If you disagree, I'm sorry but that's how I read it.
It seems pretty clear to me that many value style over substance these days, not just in this but in many areas of life.

I read it exactly the same way you do, but I accept that there is a commercial element to the discussion that considers aesthetics as a factor in the decision making process that ultimately influences the look of the cars.

I completely agree that a racer simply wants the fastest car, but F1 is (IMO) the motorsport version of opera. If the promoter wants a stunningly beautiful soprano who can't hit a perfect high C rather than Susan Boyle, who are we (as mere spectators who ultimately want F1 to thrive) to argue?

I apologise in advance for the terrible analogy, but it's been a long day...

[krisfx]

Did you read Brawn's statements?
He said that to appease certain viewers that how the cars look is more important than function.

They've almost got to look like derivatives of video games

Lets see, WHY? Not to go fast but rather to satisfy those who are more concerned with looks than function.
If you disagree, I'm sorry but that's how I read it.
It seems pretty clear to me that many value style over substance these days, not just in this but in many areas of life.

I read it exactly the same way you do, but I accept that there is a commercial element to the discussion that considers aesthetics as a factor in the decision making process that ultimately influences the look of the cars.

I completely agree that a racer simply wants the fastest car, but F1 is (IMO) the motorsport version of opera. If the promoter wants a stunningly beautiful soprano who can't hit a perfect high C rather than Susan Boyle, who are we (as mere spectators who ultimately want F1 to thrive) to argue?

I apologise in advance for the terrible analogy, but it's been a long day...

The best part about this whole "style or speed" argument is, if the regs are written for style an engineering team with still find the most beautiful way to make the car ugly if it's fast!