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Space-heat wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 10:43
Luscion wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 10:18
Ferrari:
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exclusively reveals that Maranello is moving toward a test of the new rear suspension for the SF-25 at Mugello, using the second available filming day. The new rear suspension will debut at Spa, and there are no delays.

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RosarioGiuliana and GiulyDuchessa explain that validating the new architecture seems necessary and will not be trivial. This is why Ferrari has already scheduled a 200-kilometer test day at Mugello in July, during which the SF-25, equipped with the new rear mechanics, will be driven.

- The test will require a critical and in-depth study of the real data collected on the track. It will be a true validation test for this new suspension. Only after the filming day will Ferrari make the final decision on whether to introduce the new suspension and when. The choice of the other circuit, Mugello instead of Fiorano, is clearly strategic, as compared to traditional activity, the Tuscan track offers more representative technical characteristics, with high-lateral-energy corners (like Arrabbiata 1 and 2) and elevation changes that place more realistic stress on the car’s platform.

- These conditions will allow the team to obtain more useful data for the mechanical calibration of the new suspension, data that would not be as significant at Fiorano. This modification should, if all goes as planned, help the SF-25 control rear movements, ensuring a more stable aero-mechanical platform and a wider operating window, which has been one of the main limitations at the start of this season.

- This plan is the main reason why Silverstone is not a suitable window for the debut of the new rear suspension. We will also not see major changes to the SF-25 in England, which will continue to study the new rear axle and aim to extract the maximum potential from the package introduced in Austria.

- Ferrari has decided to adopt a revised strategy for introducing the new component, mainly because it is a rear suspension that, as in the case of Mercedes, was not immediately optimized by the update’s promotion. This is also because the risk of being aggressive based solely on theory (not to say blindly) could damage things rather than improve them.
https://x.com/FerrariF1FRA/status/1940687542820417563
https://autoracer.it/esclusiva-ferrari- ... iore-sf25/
I don't know enough about vehicle dynamics to understand fully.

However, surely having testing and two race weekends of data (along with every subsequent race) should have given them a huge amount of empirical data to predict what they needed from the new suspension.

I could understand a team struggling season to season with changing aero, chassis, and geometries, but all of that is the same as the data they have collected; should the picture not be complete? Someone better read up on the area, would it not be surprising if they didn't nail this new rear suspension?
Merc brought a modified rear suspension, it didnt work for a few races so they binned it and then brought it back, seems like Ferrari just want to avoid any chance of them also having to do that. Having filming day lets them to fine-tune and understand how they can run the car before it hits a race weekend, also its a sprint weekend in Spa as well.
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Leclerc on the updates -
Broadening the view to Ferrari's season performance, Leclerc hopes that the updates introduced in Austria and those expected in the coming weeks will help provide a turning point: "*The first part of the season was much harder than we expected. I think when you finish fighting for victory as we did last year, fighting for the Constructors' World Championship, you restart hoping to at least start in the same position. We struggled more, but now we are finding our way again with development. It has certainly helped us take steps forward. I know that there are other updates coming, which will help us close the gap with McLaren and Red Bull. Mercedes seems to have a more up-and-down performance. But it's up to us to do a better job than the others and try to reach those ahead."
The Monégasque has great confidence in the updates that Ferrari will introduce on the SF-25, even though he admits that McLaren's superiority is too great to think of being able to completely nullify it: "*We will try to introduce updates as soon as possible to correct some of our weak points. I am sure we will close the gap to McLaren, even if not completely. It's a significant advantage and doesn't depend on a single update or one part of the car. I believe it takes a multitude of updates to reach their level. But if we are at least close enough to put them under pressure, I hope we can force them to make some more mistakes, because at the moment they have too big a margin to exert any kind of pressure."
To put pressure on McLaren would also require a competitive SF-25 on Saturday's single lap, the real Achilles' heel of this car. Recalling Fred Vasseur's words from the beginning of the year, who had spoken of a "qualifying championship" for the importance of Saturday's result, Leclerc commented: "It's a real shame because we are very slow in qualifying. I wish it were the opposite, but I also think that McLaren makes it seem so because they are very often on pole position and are the fastest car with a wide margin on most tracks. So they end up winning on Sunday too. Fred is certainly right. The numbers say so. I just hope, looking at ourselves, that we will improve our qualifying to be a bit more in contention for victory."
Leclerc on the 2026 car
Leclerc stated: "I can definitely say that the reasons why we took a step back in 2023 and this year are not at all related. I had the feeling that we have learned from our mistakes. I just hope that at some point we will be able to build a strong car from the beginning and have a very strong season from start to finish, which has not happened so far. But yes, we are working in the right direction. I just hope we won't find another problem in a few months. Especially with these cars, I think it's not just us in this situation, but many teams find themselves in this situation where it's very difficult to navigate because you always tend to find another obstacle along the development line."

The reference to the new cars allowed Leclerc to return to his evaluations expressed at the Red Bull Ring and incorrectly interpreted by some media as an admission of the difficulties of Ferrari's new project: "The 2026 car is so different that I certainly don't get confused about which car I'm driving (in the simulator, ed.). To contextualize my comments, they were not specific to our team, I saw headlines saying that we are in trouble or something else. I just wanted to say that the new direction for us drivers is a bit less attractive and a bit less pleasant to drive in general. I find motivation in the challenge of making these new regulations as fast as possible. If we are competitive, I'm sure I'll start to appreciate them much more. Otherwise, I'll probably hate them a lot. But I hope that won't be the case.""

https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-new ... te-mio-dna
Lewis on the 2026 car -
The Ferrari that will come
For this year Hamilton will adapt to the balance most suitable for the SF-25, but for the future he wants to contribute to creating a car more aligned with his preferences. Lewis is aware that the setup is something complementary to the basic philosophy of the project, capable of emphasizing or dampening certain characteristics, but without being able to dampen them completely. "It's a difficult balance to drive with, it's not one that puts you at ease and I don't want it for the future," the Englishman comments.
Hamilton is therefore dialoguing with the engineers at Maranello to act upstream of the problem, reviewing the fundamental concept of the Prancing Horse's cars. The Stevenage driver interfaces mainly with technical director Loic Serra, who had already had the opportunity to know Lewis's preferences in his previous experience at Mercedes as head of vehicle dynamics. "I'm working with Loic and with all the guys in the factory to make sure that the next car naturally has a bit of my DNA inside it" Hamilton explains. "We hope to be able to get some of the characteristics I would like for next year.

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Luscion wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 20:00
https://autoracer.it/leclerc-spero-di-a ... alla-fine/
Leclerc on the updates -
Broadening the view to Ferrari's season performance, Leclerc hopes that the updates introduced in Austria and those expected in the coming weeks will help provide a turning point: "*The first part of the season was much harder than we expected. I think when you finish fighting for victory as we did last year, fighting for the Constructors' World Championship, you restart hoping to at least start in the same position. We struggled more, but now we are finding our way again with development. It has certainly helped us take steps forward. I know that there are other updates coming, which will help us close the gap with McLaren and Red Bull. Mercedes seems to have a more up-and-down performance. But it's up to us to do a better job than the others and try to reach those ahead."
The Monégasque has great confidence in the updates that Ferrari will introduce on the SF-25, even though he admits that McLaren's superiority is too great to think of being able to completely nullify it: "*We will try to introduce updates as soon as possible to correct some of our weak points. I am sure we will close the gap to McLaren, even if not completely. It's a significant advantage and doesn't depend on a single update or one part of the car. I believe it takes a multitude of updates to reach their level. But if we are at least close enough to put them under pressure, I hope we can force them to make some more mistakes, because at the moment they have too big a margin to exert any kind of pressure."
To put pressure on McLaren would also require a competitive SF-25 on Saturday's single lap, the real Achilles' heel of this car. Recalling Fred Vasseur's words from the beginning of the year, who had spoken of a "qualifying championship" for the importance of Saturday's result, Leclerc commented: "It's a real shame because we are very slow in qualifying. I wish it were the opposite, but I also think that McLaren makes it seem so because they are very often on pole position and are the fastest car with a wide margin on most tracks. So they end up winning on Sunday too. Fred is certainly right. The numbers say so. I just hope, looking at ourselves, that we will improve our qualifying to be a bit more in contention for victory."
Leclerc on the 2026 car
Leclerc stated: "I can definitely say that the reasons why we took a step back in 2023 and this year are not at all related. I had the feeling that we have learned from our mistakes. I just hope that at some point we will be able to build a strong car from the beginning and have a very strong season from start to finish, which has not happened so far. But yes, we are working in the right direction. I just hope we won't find another problem in a few months. Especially with these cars, I think it's not just us in this situation, but many teams find themselves in this situation where it's very difficult to navigate because you always tend to find another obstacle along the development line."

The reference to the new cars allowed Leclerc to return to his evaluations expressed at the Red Bull Ring and incorrectly interpreted by some media as an admission of the difficulties of Ferrari's new project: "The 2026 car is so different that I certainly don't get confused about which car I'm driving (in the simulator, ed.). To contextualize my comments, they were not specific to our team, I saw headlines saying that we are in trouble or something else. I just wanted to say that the new direction for us drivers is a bit less attractive and a bit less pleasant to drive in general. I find motivation in the challenge of making these new regulations as fast as possible. If we are competitive, I'm sure I'll start to appreciate them much more. Otherwise, I'll probably hate them a lot. But I hope that won't be the case.""

https://www.formulapassion.it/f1/f1-new ... te-mio-dna
Lewis on the 2026 car -
The Ferrari that will come
For this year Hamilton will adapt to the balance most suitable for the SF-25, but for the future he wants to contribute to creating a car more aligned with his preferences. Lewis is aware that the setup is something complementary to the basic philosophy of the project, capable of emphasizing or dampening certain characteristics, but without being able to dampen them completely. "It's a difficult balance to drive with, it's not one that puts you at ease and I don't want it for the future," the Englishman comments.
Hamilton is therefore dialoguing with the engineers at Maranello to act upstream of the problem, reviewing the fundamental concept of the Prancing Horse's cars. The Stevenage driver interfaces mainly with technical director Loic Serra, who had already had the opportunity to know Lewis's preferences in his previous experience at Mercedes as head of vehicle dynamics. "I'm working with Loic and with all the guys in the factory to make sure that the next car naturally has a bit of my DNA inside it" Hamilton explains. "We hope to be able to get some of the characteristics I would like for next year.
If anyone tries to tell me that Lewis can or does adapt to cars in the future, I am going to show them this paragraph.

Loic Serra had to have been part of the deal for Lewis to move to Ferrari, he wants a car built around him.

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The team needs to prioritize fundamental pace over a "driveable" racecar for a 40+ year old driver who has decidedly been the slowest of the two on the team. No shade intended towards Hamilton whatsoever; those are simply facts.

What if the team builds a car around Hamilton's needs but it also lacks raw pace or possesses a fundamental design flaw again?

Would Hamilton be asking for these changes to the car's identity if he was facing a weaker driver than Leclerc and coming out ahead of his teammate more frequently?

I am all for improving the racecar but there is a fine line between that and catering towards a particular driver's whims.

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a whole bunch of paragraphs about the 2026 car and people hyperfocus on lewis' statement :roll:

Lewis doesnt want a car solely to his liking and nor are the team going to only focus on want he wants, his words are "a bit" and "some", theres just things about this car he doesnt want for next years'. This car clearly has quite a few fundamental issues with them putting too much attention on the frontend and having to scrap their development plans to fix it, both drivers have complained its hard to drive multiple times and has balance issues. Charles and Lewis have very similar driving styles, a lot more similar than charles thought(his own words) and has already said he doesnt think the changes to the 2026 car will be an issue for either of them to adapt to
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Luscion wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 17:30
Space-heat wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 10:43
I don't know enough about vehicle dynamics to understand fully.

However, surely having testing and two race weekends of data (along with every subsequent race) should have given them a huge amount of empirical data to predict what they needed from the new suspension.

I could understand a team struggling season to season with changing aero, chassis, and geometries, but all of that is the same as the data they have collected; should the picture not be complete? Someone better read up on the area, would it not be surprising if they didn't nail this new rear suspension?
Merc brought a modified rear suspension, it didnt work for a few races so they binned it and then brought it back, seems like Ferrari just want to avoid any chance of them also having to do that. Having filming day lets them to fine-tune and understand how they can run the car before it hits a race weekend, also its a sprint weekend in Spa as well.
The Merc suspension arrived at Imola, so it must have been in development before the season (before the car was on track), or the option for a varied rear suspension was always part of their design, similar to the front suspension previously.

I'd rather get the fix running on track; realistically, the worst case would be P6-7, even if there is a tuning issue. Without the update, we are likely P4-5. However, if it actually worked, we might really be in or about the McL. Anyway, just annoyed we are in for another race of being nowhere, and realistically, the best case is a podium.

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Luscion wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 20:36
a whole bunch of paragraphs about the 2026 car and people hyperfocus on lewis' statement :roll:

Lewis doesnt want a car solely to his liking and nor are the team going to only focus on want he wants, his words are "a bit" and "some", theres just things about this car he doesnt want for next years'. This car has quite a few fundamental issues with them putting too much attention on the frontend, both drivers have complained its hard to drive multiple times and has balance issues. Charles and Lewis have very similar driving styles, a lot more similar than charles thought(his own words) and has already said he doesnt think the changes to the 2026 car will be an issue for either of them to adapt to
I think it is fair to be annoyed if Lewis comes on board and starts dictating car design, but it is most likely nothing. I imagine Ferrari listens to both drivers. The front end is only so strong this season because of the issues with the rear. Engineers have said multiple times that they design the fastest car. However, the struggles of the 2nd RB driver do make one pause.

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How do these upgrades help with the 2026+ car? Are they gathering data for next year? They need to forget this year and move on. Charles is 97 points behind Oscar, Ferrari is 207 points behind McLaren. Barring something crazy happening where they find McLaren have been cheating and they get disqualified, they aren't catching them. Not with 13 races left, and both Mercedes and Max being right in the mix. Time to call this season what it is, and focus on the next set of regulations.

As far as building a car around more of Hamiltons characteristics, why would they do that? He's 40 years old, hasn't been here a year yet, has only 2 years left on his contract, and he may not stick around... plus they have a damn good driver in the other side of the garage.

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Space-heat wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 20:46
Luscion wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 20:36
a whole bunch of paragraphs about the 2026 car and people hyperfocus on lewis' statement :roll:

Lewis doesnt want a car solely to his liking and nor are the team going to only focus on want he wants, his words are "a bit" and "some", theres just things about this car he doesnt want for next years'. This car has quite a few fundamental issues with them putting too much attention on the frontend, both drivers have complained its hard to drive multiple times and has balance issues. Charles and Lewis have very similar driving styles, a lot more similar than charles thought(his own words) and has already said he doesnt think the changes to the 2026 car will be an issue for either of them to adapt to
I think it is fair to be annoyed if Lewis comes on board and starts dictating car design, but it is most likely nothing. I imagine Ferrari listens to both drivers. The front end is only so strong this season because of the issues with the rear. Engineers have said multiple times that they design the fastest car. However, the struggles of the 2nd RB driver do make one pause.
its very normal for both drivers of a team to give input into the car design, i dont see why its a problem specifically with lewis giving input on what he likes, who like i said has a similar style to Charles, i could be wrong but i think the big difference between them is lewis likes a stable rear end whereas charles can live better without that, giving lewis a stable rear end doesnt hurt charles and like you said, hyper focusing on one driver is how you end up with a Red Bull situation where only one driver can drive it no matter how many other people you throw in the second seat. also people(not saying you) really read two paragraphs about the 2026 car, hyper focused on what Lewis said with him wanting to add "a bit" and "some" of what he likes and took that as Ferrari focusing the 2026 car around Lewis
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Space-heat wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 20:46
Luscion wrote:
03 Jul 2025, 20:36
a whole bunch of paragraphs about the 2026 car and people hyperfocus on lewis' statement :roll:

Lewis doesnt want a car solely to his liking and nor are the team going to only focus on want he wants, his words are "a bit" and "some", theres just things about this car he doesnt want for next years'. This car has quite a few fundamental issues with them putting too much attention on the frontend, both drivers have complained its hard to drive multiple times and has balance issues. Charles and Lewis have very similar driving styles, a lot more similar than charles thought(his own words) and has already said he doesnt think the changes to the 2026 car will be an issue for either of them to adapt to
I think it is fair to be annoyed if Lewis comes on board and starts dictating car design, but it is most likely nothing. I imagine Ferrari listens to both drivers. The front end is only so strong this season because of the issues with the rear. Engineers have said multiple times that they design the fastest car. However, the struggles of the 2nd RB driver do make one pause.
Maybe these ground effect cars are inherently strong on the front end? and Max can just handle more of it than anyone else...

Andrew Shovlin from Mercedes said ground affect doesn't gel with Lewis's driving style...https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/merc ... /10636467/

"Lewis hasn't disguised the fact that Saturdays were his tough day. He's struggled with this whole generation of car, really, not suiting his style.

"He's been working on how he drives...but also with a handling balance that the drivers can actually attack the lap on Saturday.

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Can anyone guesstimate what percentage of this year's aero and mechanical design carries over to next year?

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Andi76 wrote:
28 Jun 2025, 18:12
MB_Racer wrote:
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Wow well done to Charles....as usual carrying the car on his back...blah lap from his less than capable team mate
Are you really comparing a 7 time world champion, the statistically most successful F1 driver in history…to someone that wasn’t even close to even win one title :lol: :roll:

You must be a comedian
Sorry, but I'm going to be completely honest here – aren't people the comedians who praise a driver's past achievements and say that you can't compare him and his actual abilities to someone who consistently beats him in the present? Hamilton may have achieved what he wanted in the past, but what counts is the present and this is what was talked about. And there he is, simply slow and repeatedly beaten by his teammates (Leclerc isn't the first), looking anything but good. And past achievements don't make a driver incomparable in the present. Of course he is. And the comparison in the present paints a clear picture. He already looked bad against Russell at Mercedes, and now he's doing the same against Leclerc at Ferrari. So actually, in my opinion, a comedian is someone who draws on long-past glories to evaluate a driver in the present or to place him above another who is currently and continuously whipping the floor with him. Its the here and now that counts and what the "comparison" was in relation to, not what was 10 years ago.
Sorry, you are not only honest here, but you are presenting facts.
Absolutely right: "And past achievements don't make a driver incomparable in the present."
I am Ferrari's fan for over 40 years and what you said for Hamilton, I'll say is also valid for Ferrari at the moment.

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Lots of things thrown around here and many of them true, but the full picture of the last 2 and a half years is never mentioned

On the organisational side:

1) Vasseur started working in January 2023 and came up with his vision of the team 2-3 months later. In the mean time, Sanchez and Mekies already decided to leave themselves and some less prominent personnel too

2) Targets for high-level-lead/TD were Wache or Serra and Wache wasn't interested. Serra wasn't allowed to leave early by Mercedes, so could only start his gardening leave almost a year after he accepted the Ferrari offer

3) Cardille was left as interim, acting TD. What his position would have been had he stayed is unknown. He wasn't happy about the idea of being placed down and working under Newey (who wouldn't work full time at Ferrari) so he left - right after he made a mess with Barcelona update package

4) Aero and other technical leads didn't leave and won't be leaving, so there was at least some continuity there

5) In all this time, because of waiting so long for Serra to arrive - the team that Vasseur is happy with (not an ideal team he wanted, but a team he chose to get) has only started working together in October 2024. No car has been designed by that team from start to finish - the first car will be 2026 car

On technical side of SF-25

1) the core concept was laid out by Cardille, with some of Byrne's advice ignored. In the mean time, we got confirmation form several sources that Cardille did think highly of himself and wanted to control everything - while he was obviously not up to the task of deciding suspension concept and performance targets

2) rear suspension is the biggest core flaw itself, but the problem is so deep rooted now that Ferrari had to change some aerodynamic aspects with the latest floor to be able to alleviate it

3) the need to reduce brake scoop size to be able to extract better Q performance stems from the team still being unable to setup the car in a proper way, because the updated rear end is not yet there ad this will remain in Silverstone too

4) the overloaded front balance is thus a COMPROMISE that the team is left to work with and this is bothering Leclerc less than Hamilton in Q trim (I would say). In the race, the need to LICO and reduce the braking and thus the load on front wheels is then hurting Leclerc more than Hamilton in the race, but for me the jury is still out on how this changes when neither of them has to compromise braking for the whole race

5) the car itself isn't designed with overloaded front as a core philosophy and this is not a core issue for Hamilton - he still got a Sprint Pole and Win in China with this car with a setup that was probably made without any compromise
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Before dismissing Hamiltons input as something negative or self centered on his part, how do we know that the car would be slower as a result?

If the car is inherently neutral, it's going to be fast. The narrative that only front loaded cars are fast is false and being pushed only by Red Bull's Pierre Wache to defend their shortcomings as a team.

It must take enormous concentration by Charles to have to drive with extreme oversteer and still keep the tires alive.

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Vanja #66 wrote:
04 Jul 2025, 11:27
5) the car itself isn't designed with overloaded front as a core philosophy and this is not a core issue for Hamilton - he still got a Sprint Pole and Win in China with this car with a setup that was probably made without any compromise
Respectfully, the car was not keeping to the technical rules as it was disqualified in the race even after raising it after the sprint. How can you judge the car design knowing that fact?

Lewis liking the balance of the car when it was outside the regs gives no credence to it's design characteristics when its within the regs.