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[euv2]

The biggest takeaway from the race for me was still the McLarens unbelievable tyre management, the tyre just never falls out of the working windows, it's like magic. Rain? no problem the tyres are hot enough to provide solid grip, drying conditions on inters? no problem the tyre doesn't overheat and degrade and we already know how exceptional they are in hot conditions. The only time the other teams are a match is during cool conditions, otherwise the MCL mostly smashes the competition on utilising tyres.

It's kind of baffling that the opposing teams haven't got a clue about what they are doing with their tyres, surely, they've must've tried paying good money for the engineers working on this. At this point I'm expecting their tyre management to carry over into next years cars.

They have some kind of mechanical feedback loop (without moving devices, based on expansion/contraction of materials with low specific heat present in the 'air pathways') such that the hot air path from caliper/brakes to wheel rim 'opens up a lot' in cold conditions and 'closes down to a trickle' in hot conditions. In other words, their 'trick', according to my guess, is a purely mechanical control system without external input, that can control the heat exchanged between brakes and wheel rim, using the temperature of the wheel like the gate voltage of a transistor.

Yeah, a feedback loop definitely seems most plausible but the materials needed for this sort of expansion/contraction and how much at which temperature ranges is definitely a bit of wizardry from MCL. I wonder how much temperate regulation their system allows them, like is 5°C enough for this level of tyre control or is it something more like 10-15°C. It looks like they always try to maintain the tyre in peak operating window, also RBR's solution seems to have been delayed now, perhaps still looking for answers.

[avantman]

I am confused. We've been told for 2 years now that the car has a very strong front end that other drivers can't live with.

Now it has so much understeer that it needs a Monza spec rear wing to balance.

If true, can we stop the bs narratives narrative about the car development only focusing on Max?

And... What is Tsunodas issue now then? Other than proving Horner and Marko correct for not promoting him.

And seriously, how long is Wache going to hang on to his job?

That's just a narrative , agenda at this point pushed by the same suspects and British media. They keep re-quoting Albon's interview from few years back where he was reffering to RBR 2019 and 2020 cars - the only cars he had an opportunity to drive. Previous generation RBR cars were very very different and it was very easy to see how oversteery and 'on the nose' they've been on most occasions. From 2022 onwards next gen cars have never been like that. But how could anyone explain then why can Max be head and shoulders above his teammates, all of them, if not for a car being very sharp, oversteery and 'on the nose'? You would then have to admit the guy is a genius we haven't seen since Senna and Schumacher, which is of course very painful thing to do naturally.

Truly knowledgeable observers see things very differently. I really liked Rosberg's comments made during FP session in Barcelona this year, where he was trackside expert at Sky. He explained everything very well, talking on how much understeer Max had in that car, which he could only tame it by mechanical compomises that makes car very on the edge, which Max had to balance on all the time. Nico sounded very, very impressed watching Max from the side of the track. If only someone could find that piece and put it here.
It was the same at Suzuka and China this year - massive very noticeable understeer in slow and medium speed corners that anyone could see; and even through the high speed esses at Suzuka even with much lower DF setup relative to Mclaren. Austria....pretty much everywhere, even Jeddah.
If people actually listen to Lawson and Tsunoda comments, instead of listening to all the tools talking about how oversteery RBR car is, none of them blamed loose rear or oversteer, I think once. It was either understeer or very small overational window that car has which they find very hard (or barely possible for them) to hit.
If these new gen RBR cars have ever been built for Max, they failed miserably. All of them came out of the factory very understeery.

[Bill]

I am confused. We've been told for 2 years now that the car has a very strong front end that other drivers can't live with.

Now it has so much understeer that it needs a Monza spec rear wing to balance.

If true, can we stop the bs narratives narrative about the car development only focusing on Max?

And... What is Tsunodas issue now then? Other than proving Horner and Marko correct for not promoting him.

And seriously, how long is Wache going to hang on to his job?

That's just a narrative , agenda at this point pushed by the same suspects and British media. They keep re-quoting Albon's interview from few years back where he was reffering to RBR 2019 and 2020 cars - the only cars he had an opportunity to drive. Previous generation RBR cars were very very different and it was very easy to see how oversteery and 'on the nose' they've been on most occasions. From 2022 onwards next gen cars have never been like that. But how could anyone explain then why can Max be head and shoulders above his teammates, all of them, if not for a car being very sharp, oversteery and 'on the nose'? You would then have to admit the guy is a genius we haven't seen since Senna and Schumacher, which is of course very painful thing to do naturally.

Truly knowledgeable observers see things very differently. I really liked Rosberg's comments made during FP session in Barcelona this year, where he was trackside expert at Sky. He explained everything very well, talking on how much understeer Max had in that car, which he could only tame it by mechanical compomises that makes car very on the edge, which Max had to balance on all the time. Nico sounded very, very impressed watching Max from the side of the track. If only someone could find that piece and put it here.
It was the same at Suzuka and China this year - massive very noticeable understeer in slow and medium speed corners that anyone could see; and even through the high speed esses at Suzuka even with much lower DF setup relative to Mclaren. Austria....pretty much everywhere, even Jeddah.
If people actually listen to Lawson and Tsunoda comments, instead of listening to all the tools talking about how oversteery RBR car is, none of them blamed loose rear or oversteer, I think once. It was either understeer or very small overational window that car has which they find very hard (or barely possible for them) to hit.
If these new gen RBR cars have ever been built for Max, they failed miserably. All of them came out of the factory very understeery.

people are confusing ground effect cars with car of the past which have much more development window

[Waz]

Wache has said himself that they focus on the front end. I personally found it strange, because I have read plenty on here in the car threads about ground effect being more inclined to understeer because of where the Centre of Pressure is, and that there is limited area to move it forward.

I know a lot is made about Newey leaving, but if you look closer, the cars have had quite a different characteristic since Dan Fallows left. I genuinely believe he was hamstrung at Aston Martin with the Mercedes wind tunnel that AM only had access to on weekends.

It would be good to get him back into the Technical team again to reverse the skills drain.

[Bill]

f1 is about downforce the mclaren has a little drag but good downforce which ultimately make them quick .the redbull of past has good downforce draggy but were quick.

[organic]

Very nuanced bill