2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

[deadhead]

I’m not buying the need for a narrow operating window as an requirement for a fast car…

The current WCC leading car has a wide operating window and is certainly not slow.

[Watto]

But under Dietrich the were almost a privateer team there was no board controlling them no corporate interests looking at the money spend on the investment and returns etc - I know Newey commented that was something he liked you didn't really have to convince him too much to upgrade facilities if it would improve the team

Initially, Red Bull were pretty brash in how they went about things, very built on their sort of fun and adrenaline-fueled brand values. This wasn't just in the PR world, they really did run their team in a looser way, and they were backed by big bucks. It's exactly what got them to offer Newey the freedom to build the technical side of the team to his liking, when most other teams would have been too rigid and established to do so, or simply lacked the resources to make it meaningful.

But the big spending and 'corporate-free' attitudes would not have lasted super long if the success wasn't there. If they weren't winning, eventually RB higher ups would absolutely have stepped in and started questioning their big investment into the sport as a constructor. And it wouldn't have taken until Dietrich's death or anything, this would have likely happened way, way earlier. Without Newey, they might well have been out of the sport by like 2015. Obviously we cant know what they'd have done without him, but it almost assuredly would have never been anything like what they did ultimately achieve.

Newey was always their golden goose.

Not too much to disagree with here , the success did allow them to justify it. But I think particularly early on in the setup phase it was a huge plus that then it was almost a pet project for Dietrich and who knows how things would have panned out without Newey.

But I think that for a long time he was the sole decision maker re money spent - I would be hesitant to say the company would have approved the in house engine.

As the success came plenty of sponsors did and the cost directly to RB was probably lowed a fair bit, and probably profitable if you include exposure costs.

Its too not that a lot of these things wouldn't have been done - I can for example see the new wind tunnel being approved - but it likely would have gone through a few reviews, board approvals and so on to get there.

[Dee]

But I don't think much really gets done without Markos influence I doubt Dietrich pulls out of the Porsche deal without Markos advice and go down the path of RBPT, I think to some extent his influence is still all over RBR he has always been the spokesperson on upcoming updates. The Porsche deal was probably designed to stop this kinda conflict. I do think overall Horner would have had more influence and this blame.

Horner was the one that vetoed the Porsche deal, Mateschitz, Marko, AustriaRB wanted the Porsche deal to go ahead.

https://gp-news.net/the-porsche-factor- ... -red-bull/

"Christian Horner’s decision to veto the proposed partnership between Red Bull and Porsche—at a time when the deal was nearly finalized—created deep resentment, particularly with Mateschitz. Although the Red Bull co-founder was already battling terminal illness at the time and unable to act decisively, the fallout from that decision was lasting. Had Mateschitz been in full health, it is highly plausible that Christian Horner would have been removed from his leadership positions much earlier.Christian Horner reportedly wanted to acquire shares in Red Bull Racing’s motorsport division, mirroring the ownership model of Mercedes-AMG Petronas Formula One Team, where Team Principal Toto Wolff owns one-third of the team. However, Horner’s request for equity was denied."

Also RBPT was started in Feb 2021 to take over the Honda engines because Honda were pulling out, it wasn't until the Porsche deal collapsed that RB decided to make their own engine with Ford as their partner...