2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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CjC
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Horner is currently a director of 4 of the Red Bull companies registered in the UK (and possibly more).
He’s either has to resign himself or be bought out.
I very much imagine that if he’s bought out then he’ll have to sign a non-compete contract for a certain number of years.
If he resigns then he’s a free man and can work immediately for anyone else, however he won’t receive a payout from Red Bull
Just a fan's point of view

Luscion
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Charles and Lewis have moved to similar set ups recently
"Right now, it’s about extracting the maximum potential from the car; there’s a certain need in terms of balance. Leclerc has opted for a slightly more oversteering car for a few races, and it’s worked well. Hamilton has recently taken the same direction and made things work. Ultimately, I think it’s an aspect of the current regulations; we see a lot of nervousness at the core, and I think that’s due to the regulations and their performance limitations. It’s a reality; I think the cars are twitchy, and the drivers, to some extent, need to be able to manage that."

Fakepivot
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they should let Jerome let do the media stuff, Fred don't really articulate well in English. i mean take a shot of whiskey everything he says " For Sure " lol

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Fakepivot wrote:
12 Jul 2025, 19:37
they should let Jerome let do the media stuff, Fred don't really articulate well in English. i mean take a shot of whiskey everything he says " For Sure " lol
100% agree with this

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codetower wrote:
10 Jul 2025, 18:57
What people fail to understand is that it's never about one person. It's not about Newey, not about Fred, not about Horner or Toto or Verstappen. It's the collective mix of ingredients that make success. Newey/Horner alone won't make a championship team, neither will Verstappen alone. Mercedes didn't have either during their run, neither did Ferrari. And McLaren doesn't have either of them today. If Ferrari hire Horner, he might build a winning team, but odds are that he wont. And I personally don't believe Newey alone will turn Aston into a championship team either. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but thats not how things work. It takes more than any one single ingredient.

I think Ferrari needs to keep improving the areas where they are falling short, and right now I don't think it's the TP.
Aston Martin has spent the past few years having essentially unending update failures. Just an unceasing regression over a season, every single time, reliably. The only thing more reliable than a failed Aston Martin update was the setting of the sun.

Newey joins, and now Aston is suddenly seeing some advancement, even when Newey's only direct involvement is some casual input direction.

All while Red Bull spent decades with a reputation for confidently bringing updates and just having them basically always work, and without ever A-B testing them like many other teams would do. Just pure confidence. And then as soon as Newey stops being listened to and especially after he leaves, their updates start to fail.

Can this really be written off as some coincidence? I get Newey alone isn't an auto-win button, but I think even his direct input on direction is clearly valuable, and if you let him have the technical structure he wants, he's absolutely going to do good things for you. Newey's record of build top-flight chassis across many teams is undeniable. He is a rare exception where 'one person' genuinely does have an outsized impact on the end result.

Ferrari should have given the guy what he wanted. You can do worse than make a gamble on the absolute GOAT, ya know?

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Seanspeed wrote:
12 Jul 2025, 23:41
codetower wrote:
10 Jul 2025, 18:57
What people fail to understand is that it's never about one person. It's not about Newey, not about Fred, not about Horner or Toto or Verstappen. It's the collective mix of ingredients that make success. Newey/Horner alone won't make a championship team, neither will Verstappen alone. Mercedes didn't have either during their run, neither did Ferrari. And McLaren doesn't have either of them today. If Ferrari hire Horner, he might build a winning team, but odds are that he wont. And I personally don't believe Newey alone will turn Aston into a championship team either. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but thats not how things work. It takes more than any one single ingredient.

I think Ferrari needs to keep improving the areas where they are falling short, and right now I don't think it's the TP.
Aston Martin has spent the past few years having essentially unending update failures. Just an unceasing regression over a season, every single time, reliably. The only thing more reliable than a failed Aston Martin update was the setting of the sun.

Newey joins, and now Aston is suddenly seeing some advancement, even when Newey's only direct involvement is some casual input direction.

All while Red Bull spent decades with a reputation for confidently bringing updates and just having them basically always work, and without ever A-B testing them like many other teams would do. Just pure confidence. And then as soon as Newey stops being listened to and especially after he leaves, their updates start to fail.

Can this really be written off as some coincidence? I get Newey alone isn't an auto-win button, but I think even his direct input on direction is clearly valuable, and if you let him have the technical structure he wants, he's absolutely going to do good things for you. Newey's record of build top-flight chassis across many teams is undeniable. He is a rare exception where 'one person' genuinely does have an outsized impact on the end result.

Ferrari should have given the guy what he wanted. You can do worse than make a gamble on the absolute GOAT, ya know?
Totally agree. It seems like there’s an ability - likely gained through sheer experience - to look at how a car is performing and understand the issue / tweak it to maximise performance. It’s somehow being able to see the wood for the trees, irrespective of what the numbers in the wind tunnel say. That’s an invaluable skill, especially since no one else still in the sport (Rory Byrne’s occasional involvement notwithstanding) who can do it - imagine if Ferrari could have avoided the last few seasons’ missteps?

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codetower wrote:
10 Jul 2025, 18:57
What people fail to understand is that it's never about one person. It's not about Newey, not about Fred, not about Horner or Toto or Verstappen. It's the collective mix of ingredients that make success. Newey/Horner alone won't make a championship team, neither will Verstappen alone. Mercedes didn't have either during their run, neither did Ferrari. And McLaren doesn't have either of them today. If Ferrari hire Horner, he might build a winning team, but odds are that he wont. And I personally don't believe Newey alone will turn Aston into a championship team either. Maybe I'll be proven wrong, but thats not how things work. It takes more than any one single ingredient.

I think Ferrari needs to keep improving the areas where they are falling short, and right now I don't think it's the TP.
Fully agreed!

Either you work in F1 and are very good or you are just a smart person that understand how F1 works!

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f1316 wrote:
13 Jul 2025, 00:31
imagine if Ferrari could have avoided the last few seasons’ missteps?
And that's really it!

Ferrari feels so close to nailing a top car, but always stumbles somewhere here or there.

I have the feeling that if our technical department were either led by or at least consulted with Adrian Newey, we wouldn't have had these problems and maybe could have ensured our direction was consistently forward towards a regular race winning car.