They had no R&D in Milton Keys. Everything to develop and test PUs was in Sakura. So yeah all the people in Milton Keyes went to RBPT but none of them had access to IP or were R&D Honda.
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They had no R&D in Milton Keys. Everything to develop and test PUs was in Sakura. So yeah all the people in Milton Keyes went to RBPT but none of them had access to IP or were R&D Honda.
See, you're the problem. You're upset that Newey pointed to Honda as being responsible for the vibration. You can take it that way, or you can take it the way I think it was meant.ispano6 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026, 02:04Not every one takes the same diction the same way. Again, I said I think he was baited into it by the question.
a phrase that comes off as "you'd have to ask Honda about that" isn't the best way to say "we're working on solving the issues as a team" like Horner always said. He sounded like a broken record, but he kept to it.
One thing that does bother me about the Honda crew is their teamwear. I'm not a fan of how their teamwear creates a distinction of us vs them with the green team and the white team. It may sound silly, but a country like Japan holds the uniform as an important signifier. They should do like they did with RedBull and create a bespoke AMR Honda uniform like they did with Toro Rosso and RedBull. I'm not sure if Honda isn't allowed to use the Aston Martin Aramco logos on their personnel and who's decision it is to not or allow it, but it goes a long way in the mindset of the working team members. I think after some success, we'll see this happen.
The strategy was perfect. They were not going to finish any higher than they did, no matter what they tried.F1RAM wrote: ↑26 Jul 2026, 17:35Everyone can see this... this has been going on for a while regardless of the strategy team. I remember Vettel fans creating memes in 2023 about the fkd up strategies.zoroastar wrote: ↑26 Jul 2026, 17:12dont wanna sound tin foil hat but is there any other excuse to run that strategy except to help lance run closer to alonso? honest question. not that it matters points wise, but alonso wasnt too happy about it. they ran so long on the softs that lance deleted a 15 second deficit in 10 laps
Adrian Newey ー
Aston Martin Aramco Formula One Team
It's clear we've taken a very encouraging first step forward with the upgrade, and the progress made is a huge credit to the hard work of the entire team at Silverstone. The other positive is that performance was in line with our data predictions, showing good correlation between our updated simulation tools and the track. This is a strong indication we are on the right development path for the short and longer term. With valuable learnings gathered today, we now have a solid baseline to build on when we return from the summer break, with further upgrades planned for Zandvoort.
Shintaro Orihara ー
Honda
In Hungary, we have been supporting the team with the power unit integration. We’ve also been able to collect vital data, which will help us come the next race. We will now take the important step of introducing our new-spec power unit in the Netherlands.
Before then, during Wednesday’s filming day, we will run the new engine in the AMR26 for the first time, before the summer shutdown commences.
Failing is not a process. It's a lack of one. A result of a defect in their attitudes.They didn't respect the task near enough.ispano6 wrote: ↑26 Jul 2026, 07:50These people are impatient and don't appreciate the process Honda goes through to achieve success, which usually starts with failure. Hence why I no longer translate or bring new information. I'm looking forward to a talk by former Honda Managing Director Masashi Yamamoto, who was the Honda consultant for RBPT, on the latest Honda F1 developments. He is going to have some interesting things to say, always does.bigblue wrote: ↑26 Jul 2026, 00:53Posts like the one a couple of posts above are why Honda fans who've come to Aston Martin Honda, are touchy about things that Aston Martin fans who've come to Aston Martin Honda (yes, this is a new partnership), say. There's quite an undercurrent of when the car goes well, it's because of the great chassis in spite of terrible Honda, and when it goes badly, it's because terrible Honda are so bad all is lost. It's even been said no chassis development could realistically be done whilst the engine was so bad (so how about all the current updates?). Of course the engine is very poor, and yes it is a concern because engine development and lead-times are long (and updates can only be made when permission is granted). But, the chassis was very poor too, the drivers have been complaining, and the team even said approximately half the deficit comes from the chassis, but these facts are glossed over or often not even mentioned at all. The team has a works engine deal, with the company that powered four drivers championships, which were the only ones the Mercedes didn't win in the turbo hybrid engine era. Nothing is ever guaranteed, but don't underestimate Honda. How about wishing them well, and seeing how it goes?
I was going to post a follow-up to my previous post (the second one of mine back on page 343, quoted a couple of posts above), and this has prompted me to get on with it. I think the engineering is fantastic once they get going. However, the management and organisation of the programs are pretty shambolic, at least initially. Pulling out, then kinda pulling out, allowing the engineering team to be dispersed, doing a skeleton team tracking the regs, persuading the company to get a program going, then gradually getting some of the team back, and missing a very large portion of free development time is a pretty crazy way to do things. I think the engineers must be ecstatic they've got a F1 program at all, given the company stance, but these are the consequences. There's no momentum or continuity. Training your best upcoming engineers on the program is fine, if they're working alongside a good number of their seasoned colleagues. Really this is a fight between the bean-counters and the racing arm. There's nothing "samurai" or mystical about shooting, sorry katana-ing, yourself in the foot. The crumb of comfort is that HRC seem to have organised themselves to be a somewhat more recognised and independent division in Honda, I think to help counteract the madness from the top-level management of the company. Of course ultimately if the company really decides to pull out again, HRC would have to comply, but I think they will attempt to run their operations in a bit more of a considered way with this change. At least that's my guess. Not much has been written about this, so ultimately it's anyone's guess if it works or not, or if this conjecture on my part is even accurate.
The engineers and even this Orihara fellow are ultimately not to blame for this situation. They were set up to fail by former Honda executives who stupidly decided to bail out of F1 just as they were building a championship winning PU, then stupidly decided to jump back in despite having put themselves in the worst possible position relative to the new regulations. All water under the bridge now and I'm sure that Honda have put everything into righting this ship ASAP, so hopefully this whole situation will go down as just a footnote in history that people can chuckle about in 5 years time.
It's strange that this mythical Mercedes algorithm doesn't fall under the requirements for things that a PU manufacturer must provide to their clients. Ultimately, what's the difference between this and the days when manufacturers would reserve the best engine-modes for themselves? Sorry for OT.peewon wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026, 23:02Everyone is focusing on the ICE and PU as a whole but there are 4 teams that are Mercedes powered and 3 of them are usually not in the running for wins. (Mclaren coming on off late). What people are really not paying attention to is that its a software competition series now as much as hardware.
Its like one of many other things that doesnt make any sense in these regulation.Brahmal wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026, 23:27
It's strange that this mythical Mercedes algorithm doesn't fall under the requirements for things that a PU manufacturer must provide to their clients. Ultimately, what's the difference between this and the days when manufacturers would reserve the best engine-modes for themselves? Sorry for OT.
The other teams are not slow because of the PU.peewon wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026, 23:02Everyone is focusing on the ICE and PU as a whole but there are 4 teams that are Mercedes powered and 3 of them are usually not in the running for wins. (Mclaren coming on off late). What people are really not paying attention to is that its a software competition series now as much as hardware. Mercedes and their power management software is what gives them the edge and why other Mercedes powered teams have not been able to match them. So as long as cars are energy starved (why Mercedes only pushes back when this aspect gets threatened by rule changes), they will keep an advantage. Even if AM and Honda can match the hardware performance(raw HP and chassis performance), which is a massive 'IF', there still might some ways to go till they can catch up to the front of the grid.
On can hope that they will be their at their best from now on, and not get neutered again.bigblue wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026, 21:13I was going to post a follow-up to my previous post (the second one of mine back on page 343, quoted a couple of posts above), and this has prompted me to get on with it. I think the engineering is fantastic once they get going. However, the management and organisation of the programs are pretty shambolic, at least initially. Pulling out, then kinda pulling out, allowing the engineering team to be dispersed, doing a skeleton team tracking the regs, persuading the company to get a program going, then gradually getting some of the team back, and missing a very large portion of free development time is a pretty crazy way to do things. I think the engineers must be ecstatic they've got a F1 program at all, given the company stance, but these are the consequences. There's no momentum or continuity. Training your best upcoming engineers on the program is fine, if they're working alongside a good number of their seasoned colleagues. Really this is a fight between the bean-counters and the racing arm. There's nothing "samurai" or mystical about shooting, sorry katana-ing, yourself in the foot. The crumb of comfort is that HRC seem to have organised themselves to be a somewhat more recognised and independent division in Honda, I think to help counteract the madness from the top-level management of the company. Of course ultimately if the company really decides to pull out again, HRC would have to comply, but I think they will attempt to run their operations in a bit more of a considered way with this change. At least that's my guess. Not much has been written about this, so ultimately it's anyone's guess if it works or not, or if this conjecture on my part is even accurate.
But remember, Aston still have a works deal, and are not beholden to Mercedes. This is a massive plus point.
Obviously Honda's software was weak at the biggening of the year. It's gotten Alot better of late but it's hard to tell when the ICE is still far behind. We'll see after tge summer break how much it's improved.mzso wrote: ↑28 Jul 2026, 01:03The other teams are not slow because of the PU.peewon wrote: ↑27 Jul 2026, 23:02Everyone is focusing on the ICE and PU as a whole but there are 4 teams that are Mercedes powered and 3 of them are usually not in the running for wins. (Mclaren coming on off late). What people are really not paying attention to is that its a software competition series now as much as hardware. Mercedes and their power management software is what gives them the edge and why other Mercedes powered teams have not been able to match them. So as long as cars are energy starved (why Mercedes only pushes back when this aspect gets threatened by rule changes), they will keep an advantage. Even if AM and Honda can match the hardware performance(raw HP and chassis performance), which is a massive 'IF', there still might some ways to go till they can catch up to the front of the grid.