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Aston Martin Racing has become the first team to show off a real 2022 Formula One car after Haas limited themselves to a rendering and Red Bull painted a show car to keep their secrets hidden.
The identical two outboard floor leading edge strakes, the detailing of those strakes, the identical floor edge, the identical channel in the sidepod (even if not down to the mm), that is to much similarity to arrive to independently. If they had that in the wind tunnel in November, Occam's razor tells us they are guilty of IP theft. If they copied it are after Bahrain, I have no issue with it at all.Quantum wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 13:00Only, its not identical.TimW wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 12:44No it is not. Alpine and AT have the same concept, but different detailing. Independent development will always have different detailing, because the design is interlinked with front wing design, suspension design etc.
If AM had a design with identical detailing in the wind tunnel in November, that can realistically only have been the result of data transfer. The only legal option is that they copied the detailing after the Bahrein test.
The idea might be, but that is not illegal.
I believe this is convergence of an identical idea. But if you look at the pods, they AM tapers down more gently, and the detailing is not 1:1 copied.
RB added a stay onto their bib in the last race, an idea copied from AM which was very similar. Are we to treat that the same?
The teeth on the outboard strake are larger, the slope from this strake is different. Sidepod slope is different, indent in the sidepod is more agressive, sidepod leading edge is different, gills are different, mirror and mounting are different.TimW wrote: ↑21 May 2022, 13:13The identical two outboard floor leading edge strakes, the detailing of those strakes, the identical floor edge, the identical channel in the sidepod (even if not down to the mm), that is to much similarity to arrive to independently. If they had that in the wind tunnel in November, Occam's razor tells us they are guilty of IP theft. If they copied it are after Bahrain, I have no issue with it at all.
If the guy involved in designing the Red Bull was in place at AM soon enough, he would have had a pretty good idea what the intention was even if he did not have an exact template. Some of the dimensions are fixed by rules, and some by what needs to be covered so it would be easy to get close. If they were far enough along with the 'other' design it may be was done as a back up and only actually put into production progress after the first or second race
https://www.racefans.net/2022/05/22/ast ... ar-design/Aston Martin were “surprised” Red Bull produced similar car design
Aston Martin’s technical director Andrew Green said the team chose to develop two versions of its 2022 car in parallel. The upgrades seen for the first time this weekend were in progress before Red Bull revealed its 2022 design, said Green.
He said the team were surprised to discover Red Bull had produced a concept along similar lines to what they were already developing.
“If you look at the development of the car that is sitting out there right now you’ll see that this has all happened towards the end of last year. Before we’d seen anybody we were on a dual path.
“It came as a shock, a surprise that Red Bull came out with a similar concept, as well. But I think that just reinforced our feeling at the time that of the two paths that that we had open to us, we’d gone the wrong way. And I think that was confirmation of that.”
