Scuderia Ferrari 2012

[amouzouris]

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He clearly says they're bringing many parts as it seems like they're bringing a new car to Barcelona.
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Perhaps even a pair or two of shining bright-red-anodized Aluminium push-rod looking parts?

X they are not changing it!! get over it!!

[Crucial_Xtreme]

Crucial Chuckjr has a point. Alonso said no big updates!!! Look what he said
"Fernando, another winner here in 2006. How did you feel the Ferrari was in testing? Did you feel it was a lot different?
Fernando Alonso: No, not really. We didn’t have any big improvements in the car, so what we tested were different set-ups and things we missed from winter testing. It’s been quite difficult for us with a lot of problems on the car and not many laps. The Mugello test was to complete what we had left from winter but in terms of improvements, we had minimum changes on the car so it felt the same?"

http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/05/10/spani ... onference/

The question is about Mugello. Not about Spain. We all know they didn't bring many parts to Mugello. Fernando said these exact same words in the press releases after Mugello. Nothing new here.

He's not saying they aren't bringing many updates to Spain. You can see in the quote I posted he has to say we won't bring this many parts to every race. Fernando's words contradict the article from the site Chuck posted the link to.

"we will not bring a new car at every race as it seems that we brought here in Barcelona." <-- that means quite a few updates. More than Mugello and enough to somewhat classify it as "a new car" )

Here's an accurate description of the press conference today and exactly what Fernando said:


The double World Champion reiterated that last week’s Mugello test was focused more on setup that new parts: “We didn’t have any big improvements in the car, so what we tested were different setups and things we missed from winter testing. It’s been quite difficult for us with a lot of problems on the car and not many laps. The Mugello test was to complete what we had left from winter but in terms of improvements, we had minimum changes on the car so it felt the same.

“Obviously, we had some ideas in terms of setup and some different possibilities that we were not introducing in the first four races because we didn’t have the opportunity to test them. So, it was good in Mugello: some of them were positive; some of them were negative so it’s good to know.


http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... -progress/

edit: you wish X

[xpensive]

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X they are not changing it!! get over it!!

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edit: you wish X

I wouldn't be so sure, stranger things has happenned, Inch Allah.

[amouzouris]

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X they are not changing it!! get over it!!

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edit: you wish X

I wouldn't be so sure, stranger things has happenned, Inch Allah.

i had to look this up! and i agree with it! but i don't think that even he wants to change it!

[windwaves]

Crucial Chuckjr has a point. Alonso said no big updates!!! Look what he said
"Fernando, another winner here in 2006. How did you feel the Ferrari was in testing? Did you feel it was a lot different?
Fernando Alonso: No, not really. We didn’t have any big improvements in the car, so what we tested were different set-ups and things we missed from winter testing. It’s been quite difficult for us with a lot of problems on the car and not many laps. The Mugello test was to complete what we had left from winter but in terms of improvements, we had minimum changes on the car so it felt the same?"

http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/05/10/spani ... onference/

The question is about Mugello. Not about Spain. We all know they didn't bring many parts to Mugello. Fernando said these exact same words in the press releases after Mugello. Nothing new here.

He's not saying they aren't bringing many updates to Spain. You can see in the quote I posted he has to say we won't bring this many parts to every race. Fernando's words contradict the article from the site Chuck posted the link to.

"we will not bring a new car at every race as it seems that we brought here in Barcelona." <-- that means quite a few updates. More than Mugello and enough to somewhat classify it as "a new car" )

Here's an accurate description of the press conference today and exactly what Fernando said:


The double World Champion reiterated that last week’s Mugello test was focused more on setup that new parts: “We didn’t have any big improvements in the car, so what we tested were different setups and things we missed from winter testing. It’s been quite difficult for us with a lot of problems on the car and not many laps. The Mugello test was to complete what we had left from winter but in terms of improvements, we had minimum changes on the car so it felt the same.

“Obviously, we had some ideas in terms of setup and some different possibilities that we were not introducing in the first four races because we didn’t have the opportunity to test them. So, it was good in Mugello: some of them were positive; some of them were negative so it’s good to know.


http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... -progress/

edit: you wish X

yues, I think you are right, or at least that is my reading as well of FA somewhat differing statements here and there

But he certainly seems to say there are significant changes here compared to future upgrades which will continue to come at other circuits.

I have the impression that in trying to hide what is really going on FA himself got a little confused.

[xpensive]

@ Z and X2; If the Scuderia regards itself to be in the deepest of sh*ts, the obvious thing would be to turn every stone the way they seem to do, then why wouldn't they turn the one stone that so clearly separates them from the front runners?

[amouzouris]

@ Z and X2; If the Scuderia regards itself to be in the deepest of sh*ts, the obvious thing would be to turn every stone the way they seem to do, then why wouldn't they turn the one stone that so clearly separates them from the front runners?

I agree with u X...but i think that its them turning every stone on the way that they looked at pull rod fronts and decided to go that way! they were being brave and took risks! which in my opinion paid off...but in your opinion didn't!

[Crucial_Xtreme]

@ Z and X2; If the Scuderia regards itself to be in the deepest of sh*ts, the obvious thing would be to turn every stone the way they seem to do, then why wouldn't they turn the one stone that so clearly separates them from the front runners?

Because Ferrari's problems stem from aerodynamic problems would be my take on it. It's widely known as their weak link so to speak.

[xpensive]

Z & X2; This is what we don't know, perhaps Ferrari neither, hence turning stones, no?

[FakeAlonso]

Crucial Chuckjr has a point. Alonso said no big updates!!! Look what he said
"Fernando, another winner here in 2006. How did you feel the Ferrari was in testing? Did you feel it was a lot different?
Fernando Alonso: No, not really. We didn’t have any big improvements in the car, so what we tested were different set-ups and things we missed from winter testing. It’s been quite difficult for us with a lot of problems on the car and not many laps. The Mugello test was to complete what we had left from winter but in terms of improvements, we had minimum changes on the car so it felt the same?"

http://www.yallaf1.com/2012/05/10/spani ... onference/

The question is about Mugello. Not about Spain. We all know they didn't bring many parts to Mugello. Fernando said these exact same words in the press releases after Mugello. Nothing new here.

He's not saying they aren't bringing many updates to Spain. You can see in the quote I posted he has to say we won't bring this many parts to every race. Fernando's words contradict the article from the site Chuck posted the link to.

"we will not bring a new car at every race as it seems that we brought here in Barcelona." <-- that means quite a few updates. More than Mugello and enough to somewhat classify it as "a new car" )

Here's an accurate description of the press conference today and exactly what Fernando said:


The double World Champion reiterated that last week’s Mugello test was focused more on setup that new parts: “We didn’t have any big improvements in the car, so what we tested were different setups and things we missed from winter testing. It’s been quite difficult for us with a lot of problems on the car and not many laps. The Mugello test was to complete what we had left from winter but in terms of improvements, we had minimum changes on the car so it felt the same.

“Obviously, we had some ideas in terms of setup and some different possibilities that we were not introducing in the first four races because we didn’t have the opportunity to test them. So, it was good in Mugello: some of them were positive; some of them were negative so it’s good to know.


http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... -progress/

edit: you wish X

So what was all the fuzz during the first four races from Domenicali, Fry and others that "we have to suffer until Mugello" Well Mugello came and they say "we only played with set up and minor updates'???! How should we interpret this??? Lack of development???? You tell me man.

[bhall]

I'd interpret that to mean that Ferrari likely used the Mugello test for validation more than anything else. The importance of physically testing components is somewhat diminished if a team has the confidence that any new parts it brings from the factory will have the desired effect on-track.

In other words, they developed their development.

[Crucial_Xtreme]

So what was all the fuzz during the first four races from Domenicali, Fry and others that "we have to suffer until Mugello" Well Mugello came and they say "we only played with set up and minor updates'???! How should we interpret this??? Lack of development???? You tell me man.

Well they tested updates in Mugello, just not a lot of them. Domenicali said a month prior to Mugello that they would take as much time as possible(all the way to Barcelona) to develop all the updates until the very last second to try and make sure they work & work well.

So instead of running them in Mugello they decided to keep things in testing in the wind tunnels etc to make sure they take as big of a step forward as possible.



X I understand but all of this is on an assumption that the pull rod front is inherently wrong. I would assume when you look at it without preconceived notions and look at the data, it's clear to the team it's not a problem. Even Gary Anderson changed his tune recently and said while he would do something different the pull rod front isn't their problem.

[amouzouris]

So what was all the fuzz during the first four races from Domenicali, Fry and others that "we have to suffer until Mugello" Well Mugello came and they say "we only played with set up and minor updates'???! How should we interpret this??? Lack of development???? You tell me man.

Well they tested updates in Mugello, just not a lot of them. Domenicali said a month prior to Mugello that they would take as much time as possible(all the way to Barcelona) to develop all the updates until the very last second to try and make sure they work & work well.

So instead of running them in Mugello they decided to keep things in testing in the wind tunnels etc to make sure they take as big of a step forward as possible.



X I understand but all of this is on an assumption that the pull rod front is inherently wrong. I would assume when you look at it without preconceived notions and look at the data, it's clear to the team it's not a problem. Even Gary Anderson changed his tune recently and said while he would do something different the pull rod front isn't their problem.

Exaclty!!

[xpensive]

Aha, while I in all honesty do not regard Gary Anderson as the oracle for the eternal truth, I would rather humbly try to support my position with the fact that ten other teams did not opt for that radical route?

[amouzouris]

Aha, while I in all honesty do not regard Gary Anderson as the oracle for the eternal truth, I would rather humbly try to support my position with the fact that ten other teams did not opt for that radical route?

maybe they did not consider it as they knew that it would have some drawbacks from regular pull rod suspension but they didn't know if it was going to be an advantage or not...so they didn't want to risk wasting resources...which is not a waste after all