Another black day for the refuelling rig

[myurr]

ah but had he waited till they had actually finished refuelling him then he wouldn't

Okay, I guess I didn't explain how I think the switch works...

As Sutil closed to a position where it would be unsafe to release Massa then the pit override would have been switched to "hold" again. Then when it was safe to release him, they would have toggled it back. So by my theory the guy operating the switch was only watching the traffic, and was operating the switch based on whether it was safe to release the car into the traffic at that point, possibly expecting (or forgetting) the system to override based on all the other buttons indicating whether or not work on the car had been completed. That didn't happen as it was disabled, so Massa was released as soon as there was a gap in the traffic.

Edit: Why do I think this? Well the benefit of the system would be that each person is only having to do one thing, and therefore can release the car the instant that is done. Therefore it is logical that in normal operation of the system the button on the pit wall is only used to indicate whether or not there is traffic blocking the safe release of the car. That guy can focus on one thing and not have to worry about manually checking all the other jobs as complete AND check for traffic, as the lolly-pop guy has to do for other teams.

[nae]

right then you have covered all the bases as to why you
think the guy made an error

ME /

i think the system failed

i think it has failed before

but I welcome Ferrari to carry on using it, which i note they are not,
which IMHO means they think its a failure as well

it really really doesnt matter to me who within the system was to blame
it is a system failure, if a lollipop person made the same mistake it
would clearly be him

and what is that ferrari have against sutil anyways?

[Zack]

Zack, see Rob's comment below.

The way I see it, there are a number of simple safety precautions that could be implemented to prevent cars driving off while the fuel rig is attached.
1) front & rear car-jack/mechanics should not be allowed to return car down to ground until fueling is complete as opposed to current method of bringing cars down as soon as tire change is complete.
2) attachement of fuel rig to activate Neutral gear setting & to overide drivers' selection. Dettachment of fuel rig to return normal driver gear selection.
3) attachement of fuel rig to cut power to wheels
4) attachement of fuel rig to activate in-car pneumatic air jacking system, thereby rasing car off ground until fuel rig is removed.

I belive the FIA has not been proactive in dealing with this issue themselves instead of passing the buck on to the teams & fuel rig mfgs. [-X

Ok .. but what i wanted to know is generally fuel hose is expected to detached from car or Fuel rig which always happens.

To add few more precaution :-

Ban Refueling if not then..

Compulsory Procedure to Refuel first then change tires only after fuel hose is disconnected

or

Compulsory Stop for specific time .. let say 15secs.Kill the competition in the pit lane

[Rob W]

Massa welcomes back the lollipop man article here

"We have made another small step aerodynamically with the car and the lollipop but that are the only changes."

What? Aerodynamic changes such as removing the 15 foot fuel hose?

I bet that makes the car pull to the left.

R

[TheMinister]

Why not just plug the fuel hose into the rear of the car? That way, if the driver goes early it just pulls straight out.
And aren't honda meant to be moving to a lights system, although it supposedly has added safeguards.

[pnagy]

what about having an air jacks system and the hose connected to the fuel hose so the car cannot go with the hose in the car