If he lands Newey i see a longer leash... If he doesn't...
If he lands Newey i see a longer leash... If he doesn't...
Without bouncing, yes, more DF would be great. The issue is the technicians saw in the sim that bouncing wouldn't occur until they reached a certain speed, but with more downforce, I believe this speed is lowered, and so it didn't show up until they went on track.deadhead wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 18:49This is really interesting because one would think that more DF from the floor is actually a good thing, but you are saying that it isn't?SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 18:48According to Donadoni, the car was not expected to create bouncing at these speeds, meaning they likely produced more downforce than they thought. The Barca floor is a dud, a new one is needed ASAP.
Frederic Vasseur also analyzes one of the problems affecting the SF-24 on the short Austrian circuit: “Undoubtedly, the bouncing doesn’t help. It was also present in Barcelona, partly due to tire overheating. We need to fix it, although I’m not sure if we’re the ones bouncing the most. But it needs fixing because it costs us a lot of time, even though quantifying it is impossible.”
W13 had outrageous downforce due to low tunnels, but wasn't exactly competitive because of porpoising.deadhead wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 18:49This is really interesting because one would think that more DF from the floor is actually a good thing, but you are saying that it isn't?SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 18:48According to Donadoni, the car was not expected to create bouncing at these speeds, meaning they likely produced more downforce than they thought. The Barca floor is a dud, a new one is needed ASAP.
SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 18:55Without bouncing, yes, more DF would be great. The issue is the technicians saw in the sim that bouncing wouldn't occur until they reached a certain speed, but with more downforce, I believe this speed is lowered, and so it didn't show up until they went on track.deadhead wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 18:49This is really interesting because one would think that more DF from the floor is actually a good thing, but you are saying that it isn't?SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 18:48According to Donadoni, the car was not expected to create bouncing at these speeds, meaning they likely produced more downforce than they thought. The Barca floor is a dud, a new one is needed ASAP.
I understand now but there are two or possibly three teams now with a sufficient amount of downforce. It's a speculative guess, but the RB20 might be generating more downforce than the SF24, which does not result in bouncing.CouncilorIrissa wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 19:25
W13 had outrageous downforce due to low tunnels, but wasn't exactly competitive because of porpoising.
Suspension has a great role in keeping the ride height stabledeadhead wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 19:28I understand now but there are two or possibly three teams now with a sufficient amount of downforce. It's a speculative guess, but the RB20 might be generating more downforce than the SF24, which does not result in bouncing.SoulPancake13 wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 18:55Without bouncing, yes, more DF would be great. The issue is the technicians saw in the sim that bouncing wouldn't occur until they reached a certain speed, but with more downforce, I believe this speed is lowered, and so it didn't show up until they went on track.
What component of the car is responsible for keeping it stable?
sometimes the driver is also the issue. you could see george pushing the team to let them go as it was getting too close. was lec napping ? 30 sec early he would have been able to get a lap incodetower wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 21:56Just got around to watching the SQ. This is beyond ridiculous now. Why does it seem to happen on Leclerc's side of the garage so much more often? They changed Binotto, Changed Rueda, Mekies, even swapping Xavi for Bozzi seems to make no difference. How are we any better off than we were under Binotto? His last year we finished 2nd in the constructors, and 2nd in the WDC with Charles on the podium in each of the last 4 races.
What was the issue with the engine? Did Charles accidentally shut something off? Was it something with the PU? And why was he sent out second to last?
The question the team and Charles should be asking—unless it was his decision—is not why the anti-stall kicked in but rather what’s the point of leaving it so late to exit the pits? You just know there’s going to be a queue at the end of pit lane and if you have the slightest hiccup (say, the anti-stall kicks in, for example) or one of the nine guys out before you causes a yellow, you blew your chance.codetower wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 21:56Just got around to watching the SQ. This is beyond ridiculous now. Why does it seem to happen on Leclerc's side of the garage so much more often? They changed Binotto, Changed Rueda, Mekies, even swapping Xavi for Bozzi seems to make no difference. How are we any better off than we were under Binotto? His last year we finished 2nd in the constructors, and 2nd in the WDC with Charles on the podium in each of the last 4 races.
What was the issue with the engine? Did Charles accidentally shut something off? Was it something with the PU? And why was he sent out second to last?
It's the team's job during qualifying sessions to release the car and manage traffic. Leclerc doesn't manage his own traffic, nor should he. That energy should be spent driving and maximizing lap time, not stressing over whether or not Ferrari knows how to count if there's enough time remaining in the session. I highly doubt it was Leclerc's decision, but even if it was, the team should have told him to be quiet and go out. They literally have all the data in front of them to make these decisions (unlike Leclerc sitting in the car), they simply don't.
After rewatching his onboard and re-listening to the comms, I believe his complaint was that even though the anti-stall triggered and he followed the usual protocol, it killed the engine instead of keeping it alive as it is supposed to. So it did give the normal 10 seconds, the system just didn't work from his perspective.AR3-GP wrote: ↑28 Jun 2024, 23:02https://i.postimg.cc/h4NYBTYW/image.png
Interesting...I watched Leclerc's onboard. The anti-stall system behaved like the regulations require. For F1TV timestamp purposes, the anti-stall activated at 57:11, just after Leclerc tried to move the car, and then turned the engine off at 57:21, exactly 10 seconds later, as required by the regulations.