2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[JPower]

https://www.sportbible.com/f1/christian ... 3-20251010


Horner possibly being pursued by Ferrari. Bring out the popcorn

I had people argue with me for multiple pages in this thread that a Horner/Ferrari partnership was impossible.

Granted, its just a rumor but to think Elkann wouldn't reach out is extremely naive.

[dans79]

Granted, its just a rumor but to think Elkann wouldn't reach out is extremely naive.

He shouldn't have. Imo over the last decade Horner has become the most entitled/narcissistic/antagonistic/toxic individual in f1 if not all of motorsports. Imo, he should be banned from all forms of motorsports for life!

[bluechris]

Granted, its just a rumor but to think Elkann wouldn't reach out is extremely naive.

He shouldn't have. Imo over the last decade Horner has become the most entitled/narcissistic/antagonistic/toxic individual in f1 if not all of motorsports. Imo, he should be banned from all forms of motorsports for life!

Agree, i hope Ferrari will not do this stupidity.

[ScuderiaLeo]

Ferrari has gone through more than a few TPs in their time of losing, yet somehow none of them have been able to "fix" the problem. Are we supposed to believe Horner can do what no other TP has done?

I don't like Vasseur's communication either but bringing in yet another new TP isn't going to solve anything.. not to mention I can't see many of Ferrari's staff wanting to work with him. Back when this was first discussed, AR made it clear a large number of Ferrari employees didn't want him around. Including the drivers. Unless Ferrari is fine with the team falling apart so they can build it up again with Horner..

[JPower]

Granted, its just a rumor but to think Elkann wouldn't reach out is extremely naive.

He shouldn't have. Imo over the last decade Horner has become the most entitled/narcissistic/antagonistic/toxic individual in f1 if not all of motorsports. Imo, he should be banned from all forms of motorsports for life!

Boy, do I have something to tell you about money and sports.

If the '26 car is a dud, its a done deal. Good thing for you is, Ferrari has done decently at the beginning of the last two reg changes.

[Waz]

Ferrari lost -15% this week, almost 12 billion Euros, putting their share back to what it was in January 2024.

Surprised no one has linked it to Hamilton being unhappy or something

Absolute crickets about this share loss, but surely it would be because Hamiltons brakes failed?

Talking about brakes, I can't believe anyone is seriously linking brake temperatures to the floor issue? As if they couldn't both be problems?

The SF-25 just seems like a car that they decided to incorporate every known problem from other teams throughout this regulation set.

[Farnborough]

Granted, its just a rumor but to think Elkann wouldn't reach out is extremely naive.

He shouldn't have. Imo over the last decade Horner has become the most entitled/narcissistic/antagonistic/toxic individual in f1 if not all of motorsports. Imo, he should be banned from all forms of motorsports for life!

Boy, do I have something to tell you about money and sports.

If the '26 car is a dud, its a done deal. Good thing for you is, Ferrari has done decently at the beginning of the last two reg changes.

I agree with this, it being very hard to believe any industry operating on rainbows and fairycakes for all the personalities that operate within it.

Its not a popularity contest after all.

I've found engaging interest in all of the, long list, of Ferrari TP .... but ultimately successful, then NO !

CH has been monumentally, by comparison, successful and over a long period.

They must answer the question, do they want to succeed? the answer is clear (well it should be) kicking a valid candidate out of the running though .... based on fan logic, that's really not how companies are run.

[Xyz22]

Hiring Horner to replace Vasseur without a serious plan to fix what is wrong wouldn't change absolutely anything.
The team need to rebuild the entire technical area, which is absolutely not up to par to even think about fighting for the world championship.

They just put in charge of the entire Technical Department Loc Sierra, a guy who has absolutely 0 track experience and never managed such a big team. In fact, he already --- up completely by deciding to invest 3/4 months to bring a new suspension which provided exactly 0 benefits (outside maybe help Lewis a bit?). Not surprising considering he has absolutely no clue what he is doing.

[Farnborough]

Hiring Horner to replace Vasseur without a serious plan to fix what is wrong wouldn't change absolutely anything.
The team need to rebuild the entire technical area, which is absolutely not up to par to even think about fighting for the world championship.

They just put in charge of the entire Technical Department Loc Sierra, a guy who has absolutely 0 track experience and never managed such a big team. In fact, he already --- up completely by deciding to invest 3/4 months to bring a new suspension which provided exactly 0 benefits (outside maybe help Lewis a bit?). Not surprising considering he has absolutely no clue what he is doing.

Hang on a minute didn't CH do exactly this when put in charge of RB (well he did in reality, through recruitment and overseeing those people entrusted to manage that shift in focus) there's conclusive track record that can't be denied.

[dans79]

In a series that has increasingly put more and more emphasis on technical expertise corner is useless.

I'd add I'm trying very very hard to not express exactly how I feel about Horner!

[Farnborough]

And how many years has it been that Ferrari hasn't won the championship ?

[JPower]

Hiring Horner to replace Vasseur without a serious plan to fix what is wrong wouldn't change absolutely anything.
The team need to rebuild the entire technical area, which is absolutely not up to par to even think about fighting for the world championship.

Theoretically, that's what you'd bring in Horner to do among other things. Use his expertise from building Red Bull to remake how Ferrari operates.

He's one of the only people I can see being given that type of latitude at this point. Wouldn't be worth it for either party otherwise.

[aMessageToCharlie]

Granted, its just a rumor but to think Elkann wouldn't reach out is extremely naive.

He shouldn't have. Imo over the last decade Horner has become the most entitled/narcissistic/antagonistic/toxic individual in f1 if not all of motorsports. Imo, he should be banned from all forms of motorsports for life!

In a series that has increasingly put more and more emphasis on technical expertise corner is useless.

I'd add I'm trying very very hard to not express exactly how I feel about Horner!

Well, you already did and frankly it's ridiculous.

Your personal feelings aside, Horner is one of the absolute greats of the sport as far as TPs go and his track record is far above anything Fred has to show at this point.

That being said, I don't think Horner could turn around the issues that Ferrari has on his own. What the team needs is a superstar who has the pull to bring together a dream team of big names from other teams who want to write history together. Just like Schumacher did at the time.

Hamilton could have been that guy but obviously he did not have the pull and relationships to make people follow him on his mission unfortunately.

[dans79]

Well, you already did and frankly it's ridiculous.

LO, ok.......

[Farnborough]

Well, you already did and frankly it's ridiculous.

LO, ok.......

Well they are correct, you've made your personal view of CH crystal clear. However, this being a technical forum and taking Ferrari team performance over substantial periods in defecit to all the other high performers, places that personal character view in virtually worthless position.