2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

[Badger]

Hamilton is now record holder for the longest time as a Ferrari driver without a podium

I've always said that performing at Ferrari is a completely different sport. Many drivers that are now hyped would struggle massively in this team.

Meh, that premise is bunk when it comes to podiums and wins. It only applies to championships. I would actually argue that almost all of their recent drivers have come up to speed quite quickly.

Massa, Kimi, Fernando, Seb, Leclerc, Sainz. All of these guys were scoring wins and/or podiums immediately. Massa won twice in 06, Kimi won his first race and became WDC in 07, Fernando won his first race, Seb won his second race, Charles would’ve won his second race in Bahrain (still won in Spa and Monza and beat Seb), Sainz scored 4 podiums and beat Charles in 21. Hardly gives the impression that it’s hard to get up to speed at Ferrari. Quite the opposite actually, there’s almost a rookie’s boost.

Hamilton is an outlier here in that he hasn’t got one podium yet, and the car is clearly capable of that much judging by Charles having 6.

[DGP123]

Hamilton is an outlier here in that he hasn’t got one podium yet, and the car is clearly capable of that much judging by Charles having 6.

Stats are just stats. Funny thing is, he should have bagged a podium on debut in Australia, it was gifted on a plate, but Ferrari strategy blew it. Hamilton won the sprint in China, and Hamilton has come fourth on four occasions with some pretty good drives. Leclerc has been superb, as should be expected, but he has also inherited a podium this season, like in Spain, to pad out his stats. It’s all fine margins.

[Badger]

Hamilton is an outlier here in that he hasn’t got one podium yet, and the car is clearly capable of that much judging by Charles having 6.

Stats are just stats. Funny thing is, he should have bagged a podium on debut in Australia, it was gifted on a plate, but Ferrari strategy blew it. Hamilton won the sprint in China, and Hamilton has come fourth on four occasions with some pretty good drives. Leclerc has been superb, as should be expected, but he has also inherited a podium this season, like in Spain, to pad out his stats. It’s all fine margins.

I could buy that if Charles had 1 or 2 and Lewis had 0, and they were tight on points. But when one has 6 podiums and the other has 0, that’s the stats telling you a story.

[Farnborough]

Of far more relevance in the team, driver and chassis performance .... over a race distance currently .... is the reason for Lico at what appears to be such highly demanded levels.

They are absolutely crippled by this currently. There's apparently no race so far in which it hasn't ultimately and severely compromised their last third of the event. Maybe Monaco as exception, though not being a fuel limited track could be important there.

We really don't have a clue of the ultimate driver potential under this overlay in operative car. There's no true picture to be observed.

[DJ Downforce]

Of far more relevance in the team, driver and chassis performance .... over a race distance currently .... is the reason for Lico at what appears to be such highly demanded levels.

They are absolutely crippled by this currently. There's apparently no race so far in which it hasn't ultimately and severely compromised their last third of the event. Maybe Monaco as exception, though not being a fuel limited track could be important there.

We really don't have a clue of the ultimate driver potential under this overlay in operative car. There's no true picture to be observed.

I agree, today LiCo crippled Ham whilst a lot of other days it has crippled Lec. Let's wait til next year when there's hopefully a more balanced and normal car to have fan wars.