2025 Scuderia Ferrari F1 Team

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FittingMechanics
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It is probably because he cut the track and increased the gap significantly.

Part of it is that Verstappen went off as well and then had to fight Bearman.

But I think it is obvious Hamilton gained, they should have told him to back off until Verstappen or Bearman reached him.

basti313
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dialtone wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 04:42
AR3-GP wrote:
dialtone wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 04:11

Lewis wasn’t penalized for gaining advantage but for not following the race director procedure.
:?

https://i.postimg.cc/d1rj580p/image.png
I stand corrected and this somehow makes it even worse… half of the top 10 gained advantages today by cutting, only he was punished, and again for being pushed off track. At least the race director note would have been black and white…
No and no.

He was punished, because he did not give back the position. Everyone else did.
He was also not pushed off, he was too fast.
Don`t russel the hamster!

basti313
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ScuderiaLeo wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 05:36
Wait so Hamilton's penalty wasn't even for the run off?!
No.
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 05:36
That's crazy..
No.
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 05:36
how did Verstappen escape being penalized twice?
Verstappen did not "escape", he was never investigated.
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 05:36
He pushed Hamilton off
No, Ham was investigated correctly for causing a colission in T1. Verstappen was alongside on the apex, so had the right of room. Ham did not have right of room. Everything well explained in the stewarding document.

ScuderiaLeo wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 05:36
and then he sped under the double yellow flags at the end.
Where is any proof of that? Was it even double yellow?
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 05:36
They need to release the full stewarding documents for things that happen in the race,
The release them on the FIA homepage.
ScuderiaLeo wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 05:36
what is their logic for giving Hamilton a penalty there?
Explained above and in the documents. He passed Ver off track and thus had to give back the position.
Don`t russel the hamster!

Luscion
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basti313 wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 09:04
dialtone wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 04:42
I stand corrected and this somehow makes it even worse… half of the top 10 gained advantages today by cutting, only he was punished, and again for being pushed off track. At least the race director note would have been black and white…
No and no.

He was punished, because he did not give back the position. Everyone else did.
He was also not pushed off, he was too fast.
Charles never gave back his position

basti313
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Luscion wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 09:11
basti313 wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 09:04
dialtone wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 04:42

I stand corrected and this somehow makes it even worse… half of the top 10 gained advantages today by cutting, only he was punished, and again for being pushed off track. At least the race director note would have been black and white…
No and no.

He was punished, because he did not give back the position. Everyone else did.
He was also not pushed off, he was too fast.
Charles never gave back his position
That was an intra Ferrari issue.
i do not like the "rule", that they leave this to the teams. But it is what it is. Pleople here can not claim "inconsistent stewarding" if the stewards are consistent, but the rules are not good. Blame the sender, not the messanger.
Same for T1 Ver vs. Ham. This is "lex Hamilton", what lead to these stupid rules.
Don`t russel the hamster!

Dee
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The only thing that needs to be clarified is;

Do you need to give back only 1 position if you have gone off track and gained an advantage or do you need to give back the number of positions you gained while going off track?

Max gained 1 position at the start - gave it back - gaining nothing - no penalty

Charles gained 2 positions at the start - gave back 1 - gaining 1 position - no penalty

Lewis gained 1 position after leaving the track - did not give it back - gaining 1 position - penalty

Max and Lewis are clear cut.

Charles is not. Did the FIA just put up their arms then and say he already gave back one place and we are not getting involved in intra-team penalties like they generally do and it was up to Ferrari then to fix it?

basti313
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Dee wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 10:33
The only thing that needs to be clarified is;
No...simply not, this is clear.
Dee wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 10:33
Do you need to give back only 1 position if you have gone off track and gained an advantage or do you need to give back the number of positions you gained while going off track?
Yes, if you look into the back field it is very clear.

Dee wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 10:33
Charles is not.
??? Reading issue?
Charles is very clear. Much more clear than anyone else.
Don`t russel the hamster!

Dee
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basti313 wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 11:15
Dee wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 10:33
The only thing that needs to be clarified is;
No...simply not, this is clear.
Dee wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 10:33
Do you need to give back only 1 position if you have gone off track and gained an advantage or do you need to give back the number of positions you gained while going off track?
Yes, if you look into the back field it is very clear.

Dee wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 10:33
Charles is not.
??? Reading issue?
Charles is very clear. Much more clear than anyone else.
Nothing you have said here makes sense to me, explain what you mean using more words.

Badger
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Dee wrote:
27 Oct 2025, 10:33
The only thing that needs to be clarified is;

Do you need to give back only 1 position if you have gone off track and gained an advantage or do you need to give back the number of positions you gained while going off track?

Max gained 1 position at the start - gave it back - gaining nothing - no penalty

Charles gained 2 positions at the start - gave back 1 - gaining 1 position - no penalty

Lewis gained 1 position after leaving the track - did not give it back - gaining 1 position - penalty

Max and Lewis are clear cut.

Charles is not. Did the FIA just put up their arms then and say he already gave back one place and we are not getting involved in intra-team penalties like they generally do and it was up to Ferrari then to fix it?
The rule is about going off track and gaining a lasting advantage. So if you gained two positions, you must return two positions. I don’t think the stewards ever got to review Charles at T1, and you can only judge what is put in front of you. The failure is within race control for not referring it to the stewards for what would have been a simple 10s penalty.