2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

[diffuser]

For all the people that still believe this car isn't fundamentally flawed. McLaren has gone backwards.

Fernando Alonso MCLAREN RENAULT 1:44.917
Fernando Alonso MCLAREN HONDA 1:45.090

Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 1:42.553 (Q3)
Lewis Hamilton MERCEDES 1:41.553 (Q2)

Pierre Gasly SCUDERIA TORO ROSSO HONDA 1:43.844
Carlos Sainz TORO ROSSO RENAULT . 1:45.374

At the end of the day it all depends on what your definition of "fundamentally Flawed" is. What you're showing is that they haven't gotten any faster. Using that definition, if they ran last years car this year it would be fundamentally flawed. I agree they haven't gotten any faster.

[Ground Effect]

Checo in talks with Mclaren. Force India must be keen on keeping Ocon, or his height has disqualified him. Don't mind Checo, but would prefer Esteban.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... 019-return

[Raleigh]

Checo in talks with Mclaren. Force India must be keen on keeping Ocon, or his height has disqualified him. Don't mind Checo, but would prefer Esteban.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... 019-return

Mercedes will be very keen to keep Ocon at Force India and potentially could make it part of the B-spec deal.

[Ground Effect]

Checo in talks with Mclaren. Force India must be keen on keeping Ocon, or his height has disqualified him. Don't mind Checo, but would prefer Esteban.

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... 019-return

Mercedes will be very keen to keep Ocon at Force India and potentially could make it part of the B-spec deal.

That would make sense, but according to some reports, Lawrence Stroll does not want to go down that route, being a Mercedes B team. I guess he/his group want to have full control of the seats.

[RonDennis]

Well, Perez brings in around 15 million dollar, which won't be matched by any of the other drivers and he's certainly not slower than Ocon.

[mwillems]

Well, Perez brings in around 15 million dollar, which won't be matched by any of the other drivers and he's certainly not slower than Ocon.

Would love to see Perez at Mclaren, decent driver with a good sponsorship boost.

But roll on more comparisons to Williams from the nay sayers....

[marmer]

Perez and sainz would be a good driver paring two decent drivers with something left to prove at the top level

[mwillems]

I don't think there is much between Perez and Ocon. Perez has cash but Ocon has time to develop. Personally, I'd take the cash. An extra 15 mil or so would go a long way for Mclaren. Could be circa an extra 10% to the budget. Assuming the budget is about 150 . I think those are the numbers I have seen bandied around in the past. Coupled with a much lower salary bill, it would be quite a boost to Mclaren. Another guess/assumption of 15-20 mil less Salary on top of Perez sponsorship would actually be pretty immense/cover the shortfall when the investors stop propping up the budget.

[makecry]

I don't think there is much between Perez and Ocon. Perez has cash but Ocon has time to develop. Personally, I'd take the cash. An extra 15 mil or so would go a long way for Mclaren. Could be circa an extra 10% to the budget. Assuming the budget is about 150 . I think those are the numbers I have seen bandied around in the past. Coupled with a much lower salary bill, it would be quite a boost to Mclaren. Another guess/assumption of 15-20 mil less Salary on top of Perez sponsorship would actually be pretty immense/cover the shortfall when the investors stop propping up the budget.

Mclaren has a much larger budget than 150m. STR has a 150 mil budget. I would say mclaren would be in range of 250-300.

[RonDennis]

I don't think there is much between Perez and Ocon. Perez has cash but Ocon has time to develop. Personally, I'd take the cash. An extra 15 mil or so would go a long way for Mclaren. Could be circa an extra 10% to the budget. Assuming the budget is about 150 . I think those are the numbers I have seen bandied around in the past. Coupled with a much lower salary bill, it would be quite a boost to Mclaren. Another guess/assumption of 15-20 mil less Salary on top of Perez sponsorship would actually be pretty immense/cover the shortfall when the investors stop propping up the budget.

The McLaren budget is still much bigger, their team is around 700 to 800 people. Imagine gaining 25 million from Alonso and 15 million from Perez, that's 40 million by just changing drivers. Yeah I know Perez is probably 2 tenths slower, but let's stay realistic, McLaren is currently rebuilding and going for 2021. Two years Perez is enough to finance a new high-tech windtunnel. I still love how everybody is hitting out at McLaren currently, but let's be honest more than 50% of the grid would still love a McLaren seat.

[Ground Effect]

I don't think there is much between Perez and Ocon. Perez has cash but Ocon has time to develop. Personally, I'd take the cash. An extra 15 mil or so would go a long way for Mclaren. Could be circa an extra 10% to the budget. Assuming the budget is about 150 . I think those are the numbers I have seen bandied around in the past. Coupled with a much lower salary bill, it would be quite a boost to Mclaren. Another guess/assumption of 15-20 mil less Salary on top of Perez sponsorship would actually be pretty immense/cover the shortfall when the investors stop propping up the budget.

Mclaren has a much larger budget than 150m. STR has a 150 mil budget. I would say mclaren would be in range of 250-300.

250-300??? Very doubtful in my opinion. That's heading to Red Bull/Mercedes/Ferrari territory

[Singabule]

I don't think there is much between Perez and Ocon. Perez has cash but Ocon has time to develop. Personally, I'd take the cash. An extra 15 mil or so would go a long way for Mclaren. Could be circa an extra 10% to the budget. Assuming the budget is about 150 . I think those are the numbers I have seen bandied around in the past. Coupled with a much lower salary bill, it would be quite a boost to Mclaren. Another guess/assumption of 15-20 mil less Salary on top of Perez sponsorship would actually be pretty immense/cover the shortfall when the investors stop propping up the budget.

Mclaren has a much larger budget than 150m. STR has a 150 mil budget. I would say mclaren would be in range of 250-300.

250-300??? Very doubtful in my opinion. That's heading to Red Bull/Mercedes/Ferrari territory

Mclaren 2016 has about same budget as RB as they still pursue WC, create everything in house except engine. Honda PU GB and plenum also created by mclaren. However since they split by honda im sure their budget still 5th biggest as Renault works increase their overall budget to 300 mio with 650 staff plus staff. Right now Mclaren is downsizing but not much. So 250 mio is plausible

[makecry]

I don't think there is much between Perez and Ocon. Perez has cash but Ocon has time to develop. Personally, I'd take the cash. An extra 15 mil or so would go a long way for Mclaren. Could be circa an extra 10% to the budget. Assuming the budget is about 150 . I think those are the numbers I have seen bandied around in the past. Coupled with a much lower salary bill, it would be quite a boost to Mclaren. Another guess/assumption of 15-20 mil less Salary on top of Perez sponsorship would actually be pretty immense/cover the shortfall when the investors stop propping up the budget.

Mclaren has a much larger budget than 150m. STR has a 150 mil budget. I would say mclaren would be in range of 250-300.

250-300??? Very doubtful in my opinion. That's heading to Red Bull/Mercedes/Ferrari territory

McLaren's budget with Honda if I remember was 451.7mil euros according the financial records in 2017. So I don't think 300mil is an outlier.

Ferrari's budget was 570mill USD for 2017 according to public records.

I am sure McLaren's budget this year is 250-300mil.

comparision with STR because it is public record, 150mil is their budget.

[M840TR]

Perez said he's already signed for next year and given his relationship with Force India, I think he's there to stay.

[Jackles-UK]

Personally, I wouldn’t like to see Perez return. He’s a safe pair of hands but is lacking a touch of raw pace and has always ended up in toxic situations with teammates (just look at the flash points with the usually very respectful Ocon last year!). We know how fiery Sainz can get from his time at Toro Rosso so I think that would be a nightmare in the making!

Back to this weekend, apparently McLaren (along with Red Bull) have decided against the upgraded Spec C engine at Monza. Given that the current PU will likely have them plum last anyway I’d take the hit and stick it in if they do gain the 0.3s per lap that Abiteboul has been quoting.