2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[j.yank]

So, being PP a long time trainee of Newey doesn't guarantee that he is capable as him

So there´s only two options, being as good as Newey, or being completely useless...

Sincerely j.yank, reading your posts it looks like you think your aero knownledge can be compared with Prodomou knowlege... is that the case?

Is it so hard to understand the difference between knowledge (science) and talent (craft)? And please, give me a break, I don't compare myself with PP, I compare Newey with PP. I will not say that PP is completely useless (these are your words). I am just saying from what we see that PP hasn't achieved the craftsman of Newey. I think this is normal - we are not equal in everything - in any filed of life someone is better than the rest. If you think that PP must be equal to Newey this is your problem.

[OviJohn]

So, being PP a long time trainee of Newey doesn't guarantee that he is capable as him

So there´s only two options, being as good as Newey, or being completely useless...

Sincerely j.yank, reading your posts it looks like you think your aero knownledge can be compared with Prodomou knowlege... is that the case?

Is it so hard to understand the difference between knowledge (science) and talent (craft)? And please, give me a break, I don't compare myself with PP, I compare Newey with PP. I will not say that PP is completely useless (these are your words). I am just saying from what we see that PP hasn't achieved the craftsman of Newey. I think this is normal - we are not equal in everything - in any filed of life someone is better than the rest. If you think that PP must be equal to Newey this is your problem.

So please tell us here how on earth is it humanly possible for Peter Prod to achieve anything decent when his team has to design according to figures NOT delivered by his PU counterpart?! Please, I mean seriously guys, is it that hard to understand the relation between chassis design and manufacturing with PU size, weight, cooling needs, AND power figures?!

When Mclaren made its decision to leave the partnership, it wasn't just Alonso or the alleged 100M, it was also key staff like Mr. Prod that could have abandon ship precisely due to that perception you just pointed out. Peter Prod left Newey/RBR to a head position at a team like Mclaren to actually prove his work and craftsmanship. Regrettably, this isn't possible when the other side of the equation (Honda) keeps under delivering and missing targets.

[Snorked]

Does McLaren's supply of hybrid parts continue?

Q: Mr. Yamamoto (of Honda), said sister company of F1 team "McLaren Applied Technologies" had supplied a lot of hybrid parts. McLaren · Honda has decided to divide it, will this relationship continue in the future?

Honda Masashi Yamamoto Director of Motor Sports:
"For the time being we will continue to work with the company, while we are already producing many parts ourselves, so in the future Honda will produce it."

http://www.topnews.jp/2017/09/16/news/f1/163144.html

And old report but what parts do McLaren supply that Honda will still have to work with McLaren (into next season?)?

Was Wazari hinting at the MGU-H being manufactured by McLaren?

[Vasconia]

Is it so hard to understand the difference between knowledge (science) and talent (craft)? And please, give me a break, I don't compare myself with PP, I compare Newey with PP. I will not say that PP is completely useless (these are your words). I am just saying from what we see that PP hasn't achieved the craftsman of Newey. I think this is normal - we are not equal in everything - in any filed of life someone is better than the rest. If you think that PP must be equal to Newey this is your problem.

This is the second o third year of Podromou without Newey, so I think its a little bit early to judge his talent. Moreover, we have spent 3 seasons discussing about how good the chasis because with that terrible PU its almost imposible to know how competitive the chasis is.

[etusch]

Does McLaren's supply of hybrid parts continue?

Q: Mr. Yamamoto (of Honda), said sister company of F1 team "McLaren Applied Technologies" had supplied a lot of hybrid parts. McLaren · Honda has decided to divide it, will this relationship continue in the future?

Honda Masashi Yamamoto Director of Motor Sports:
"For the time being we will continue to work with the company, while we are already producing many parts ourselves, so in the future Honda will produce it."

http://www.topnews.jp/2017/09/16/news/f1/163144.html

And old report but what parts do McLaren supply that Honda will still have to work with McLaren (into next season?)?

Was Wazari hinting at the MGU-H being manufactured by McLaren?

Good point

[Andres125sx]

. I am just saying from what we see that PP hasn't achieved the craftsman of Newey.

Well, his chassis is receiving several compliments from the whole paddock despite suffering the HUGE handicap of the worst PU by far. That´s something. What has Newey achieved with the worst engine of the paddock?

If you think that PP must be equal to Newey this is your problem.

I never rate professionals who are working at the top class, I´m not that haughty, they´re working on top F1 teams so they obviously are awesome proffesionals.

And never ever make such comparisons. You should have worked with both of them to make an idea, and neither of us did that, so claiming he´s not that good because he´s not managed to build a winning car with the worst PU on the grid is anything but reasonable

[adrianjordan]

Well, his chassis is receiving several compliments from the whole paddock despite suffering the HUGE handicap of the worst PU by far. That´s something. What has Newey achieved with the worst engine of the paddock?

Surely you have figured out by now that everyone who says the McLaren chassis, whether they be commentators, current drivers for other teams, ex-drivers or anyone else is clearly in the pocket of the McLaren management in order to further their campaign of fake-news against Honda who have actually produced a 2000bhp monster of an engine which is being hampered by the brick of a chassis that McLaren have produced.

[JonoNic]

Well, his chassis is receiving several compliments from the whole paddock despite suffering the HUGE handicap of the worst PU by far. That´s something. What has Newey achieved with the worst engine of the paddock?

Surely you have figured out by now that everyone who says the McLaren chassis, whether they be commentators, current drivers for other teams, ex-drivers or anyone else is clearly in the pocket of the McLaren management in order to further their campaign of fake-news against Honda who have actually produced a 2000bhp monster of an engine which is being hampered by the brick of a chassis that McLaren have produced.

It must be that gearbox resonance causing it to lose 1100bhp in race trim... Bummer

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[j.yank]

I mean seriously guys, is it that hard to understand the relation between chassis design and manufacturing with PU size, weight, cooling needs, AND power figures?!

OK, obviously you know all of these and I think many people around the globe will appreciate to share your knowledge. Or we can open here a casino betting what are the power figures, etc.? Many people here speak as they are F1 team members and they know exactly how much underrated is the Honda engine, and how much powerful is the Mercedes engine. They just refuse the idea that maybe the reality is not so simple and most of this reality is constructed in their minds not because they have facts but because they tend to accept what they wish to accept from what other people want they to accept.

[techman]

so happy that mclaren and honda parting ways. now its no where to hide for mclaren next year. any deficit with be compared with redbull and highlighted, and mclaren chassis weakness will be very visible.

Well, his chassis is receiving several compliments from the whole paddock despite suffering the HUGE handicap of the worst PU by far. That´s something. What has Newey achieved with the worst engine of the paddock?

. adrian newey has done wonders even with a low power engines before by reducing drag and increasing efficiency i.e running skinny rear wing angle, mclaren are no where in comparison to adrian newey philosophy. mclaren philosophy, run high drag boast about how good in corners and blame engine.

[j.yank]

Well, his chassis is receiving several compliments from the whole paddock despite suffering the HUGE handicap of the worst PU by far. That´s something. What has Newey achieved with the worst engine of the paddock?

Hm, as far as I know the chassis don't have a power, neither they are driven by compliments. If I remember right, in the last race the so called worst engine drive the McLaren chassis ahead of one works team, ahead of one of its customer teams, and ahead of one Mercedes customer teams. Not bad for a worst engine ...

[j.yank]

Well, his chassis is receiving several compliments from the whole paddock despite suffering the HUGE handicap of the worst PU by far. That´s something. What has Newey achieved with the worst engine of the paddock?

Hm, as far as I know the chassis don't have a power, neither they are driven by compliments. If I remember right, in the last race the so called worst engine drove the McLaren chassis ahead of one works team, ahead of one of its customer teams, and ahead of one Mercedes customer teams. Not bad for a worst engine ...

[Alonso Fan]

I mean seriously guys, is it that hard to understand the relation between chassis design and manufacturing with PU size, weight, cooling needs, AND power figures?!

OK, obviously you know all of these and I think many people around the globe will appreciate to share your knowledge. Or we can open here a casino betting what are the power figures, etc.? Many people here speak as they are F1 team members and they know exactly how much underrated is the Honda engine, and how much powerful is the Mercedes engine. They just refuse the idea that maybe the reality is not so simple and most of this reality is constructed in their minds not because they have facts but because they tend to accept what they wish to accept from what other people want they to accept.

Alot like yourself and Mr techman here

[HPD]

I think people here feel very offended when I publish Japanese news (with official quotes, not rumors).

And I think many users here try to say. That Mclaren can not run with low downforce, because the vehicle loses its balance and the pilot complains. (Matt Morris).

Unlike Red Bull, which can work with low downforce to have more top speed.
(Red bull 338km/h vs Renaul 333km/h vs MclarenHonda 325 km/h)

Matt Morris tries to explain that this has a reason or a justification. It will be true? we will not know. But we are left with the doubt.

Many people thought that Mclaren was running with high downforce to make Honda look bad.
But I really believe that Mclaren can not look bad in front of the public, or show a weakness of his chassis.
This could simply be a commercial tactic to obtain a sponsor.

[j.yank]

I mean seriously guys, is it that hard to understand the relation between chassis design and manufacturing with PU size, weight, cooling needs, AND power figures?!

OK, obviously you know all of these and I think many people around the globe will appreciate to share your knowledge. Or we can open here a casino betting what are the power figures, etc.? Many people here speak as they are F1 team members and they know exactly how much underrated is the Honda engine, and how much powerful is the Mercedes engine. They just refuse the idea that maybe the reality is not so simple and most of this reality is constructed in their minds not because they have facts but because they tend to accept what they wish to accept from what other people want they to accept.

Alot like yourself and Mr techman here

I am waiting to be enlighten from you regarding the power figures of all PU. Please, give us your facts.