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Yes, it is what it is. Cause all three had a very good season, with ups and downs. Lando my have some regrets over Canada, Zandvoort, Austin sprint, Vegas DSQ and other small mistakes from him (Saudi quali) or from the team (some really bad pitstops, Qatar strategy).FittingMechanics wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025, 09:11Lando had on paper best season, maybe lacked a little bit of killer instinct or strategy masterclass to turn one of those P2s into P1.
Also he is hurt a lot by his engine failure and mistake/crash in Canada.
Exactly this. People tend to forget very quickly, and as the saying goes: "you are only as good as your last race". Norris went from average to legend to everage in 5 races.....kc_f1 wrote: ↑03 Dec 2025, 23:26Well, don’t think so. All things said and done it has been two amazing years. An amazing turn around story...from dead last to double champions. The team has given the fans great memories this year. Even if they mess up the WDC at the end... It's not the end of the world.
I think Lando also struggled to adapt his driving style to be able to get the most from the car, prior to geometry changes to suit him earlier this year.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025, 09:11Lando had on paper best season, maybe lacked a little bit of killer instinct or strategy masterclass to turn one of those P2s into P1.
Also he is hurt a lot by his engine failure and mistake/crash in Canada.
There's another parallel George might like. A McLaren driver won his first WDC after failing the previous year in 2008, the mast year before a big rules reset.
Our drivers deserve it just as much as Max. Here are some facts that people deliberately ignore. Our drivers had to actually battle each other till the end because thats the spirit of competition. Our drivers had to actually fight inside tracks to make a pass and didn't had cars moving left and right like Moses parting the Red Sea. Our drivers had to work alone and did not have help and data from the other side of the garage or have a B-Team also giving them data, drivers, technicians or team principals. Our drivers had to gather points to contend with stewards with double standards. Finally I agree that they didn't extract the most as many times as possible but our drivers had to compete against their own team who has costed them more than 60 points each as they lost them from things outside their control.McL-H wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025, 11:07Max deserves it a lot more since he has extracted most out of every GP this year, apart from Spain. Our drivers were good too, but they have not always maximised where they could, making errors a bit too often. Obviously I hope a McLaren driver lifts the WDC trophy. But if Max takes it home, I could live with that as it would be well deserved.
Arguably it already has done, because without those two things, Lando would already be WDC.FittingMechanics wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025, 13:49If Max wins this, good job by him, but it will show to the team (and drivers) that they made a mistake by becoming hyper focused on each other. We remember races where they were in P2 and P3 behind Max and only thing they cared about was covering each other. That was the wrong mindset then and as I feared it has come to haunt them.
The team should still have authority to push split strategies in order to increase chances of success. If they really want to have some kind of equality, let it be that the car ahead (or alternating) is the one that picks first, but they need ability to run different strategies.
I hope that the WDC does not come down to Lando's engine going boom and Las Vegas DSQ but as many of you already said, I am thankful and super happy with the progress team made. This is an incredible achievement and I hope that it continues. But if things fall Max's way on Sunday, so be it, congrats to him and I am sure the team will learn from it.
Btw I am still confident in a McLaren WDC. Let's go guys!
Coming back to that "what if" engine related we all know the discussion about what RBR did in Brazil, to offer Max qualifying 16 a fresh engine for the remaining races. So what if, that engine will go boom as you said? That will be somethingFittingMechanics wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025, 13:49If Max wins this, good job by him, but it will show to the team (and drivers) that they made a mistake by becoming hyper focused on each other. We remember races where they were in P2 and P3 behind Max and only thing they cared about was covering each other. That was the wrong mindset then and as I feared it has come to haunt them.
The team should still have authority to push split strategies in order to increase chances of success. If they really want to have some kind of equality, let it be that the car ahead (or alternating) is the one that picks first, but they need ability to run different strategies.
I hope that the WDC does not come down to Lando's engine going boom and Las Vegas DSQ but as many of you already said, I am thankful and super happy with the progress team made. This is an incredible achievement and I hope that it continues. But if things fall Max's way on Sunday, so be it, congrats to him and I am sure the team will learn from it.
Btw I am still confident in a McLaren WDC. Let's go guys!
Max did not even use that engine last week, so it's not really a big deal.SilviuAgo wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025, 14:13Coming back to that "what if" engine related we all know the discussion about what RBR did in Brazil, to offer Max qualifying 16 a fresh engine for the remaining races. So what if, that engine will go boom as you said? That will be somethingFittingMechanics wrote: ↑04 Dec 2025, 13:49If Max wins this, good job by him, but it will show to the team (and drivers) that they made a mistake by becoming hyper focused on each other. We remember races where they were in P2 and P3 behind Max and only thing they cared about was covering each other. That was the wrong mindset then and as I feared it has come to haunt them.
The team should still have authority to push split strategies in order to increase chances of success. If they really want to have some kind of equality, let it be that the car ahead (or alternating) is the one that picks first, but they need ability to run different strategies.
I hope that the WDC does not come down to Lando's engine going boom and Las Vegas DSQ but as many of you already said, I am thankful and super happy with the progress team made. This is an incredible achievement and I hope that it continues. But if things fall Max's way on Sunday, so be it, congrats to him and I am sure the team will learn from it.
Btw I am still confident in a McLaren WDC. Let's go guys!