2025 Oracle Red Bull Racing F1 Team

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f1isgood wrote:
14 Dec 2025, 16:56
Badger wrote:
14 Dec 2025, 14:47
f1isgood wrote:
14 Dec 2025, 13:09
Good riddance is all I'll say for this one. He did many of the things he claims he didn't. Too much ego. It's easy to use the Dutch Media, the same Media that caused all the problems at the start of last year.
And Horner was a saint? Let’s be real, these two both played the game of trying to have the other one ousted. It was bad for the team and it’s good that they’re both gone now.
Marko is a provable liar given he did make it about Perez's nationality in 2023. He is just trying to save his face after being fired. Also, Horner was in the seat till Yoovidhya had majority stake which changed in May 25 and in July 25 Horner was fired. You don't need to be a genius to put two and two together. In any case it's very good riddance. His second driver development has been an utter failure since 2019 which, IMO is the only thing he was anyways responsible for doing.
Horner famously never lied about anything...

Look, I honestly don't find the personal angles that interesting, it misses the wider story. When DM died the team was left in limbo over who had control. Technically the Thais held the majority of voting rights but the F1 project had always been the responsibility of RB Austria and Mateschitz. Horner, presumably looking to expand his control over the team, aligned himself with the Thai side. Marko, having always been the representative of RB Austria, opposed this development and worked to retain Austrian control of the operation. For a while they kept it together as the team was winning everything, but then the scandal broke out around Horner and everything started to crumble. Horner wasn't ousted at the time because the Thais stuck by him, but a year later it seems like a truce broke out between the two ownership groups. They agreed to settle their score and restructure the ownership split, and now it seems like RB Austria is back in charge of the operation. Austria clearly wanted Horner gone so he was fired immediately. With Horner ousted and Austria back in charge Marko had done his job, so he's going too. The Verstappens seemingly sided with the Marko/Austria side from the start, but have now accepted that Marko isn't needed anymore. That to me is the biggest sign that things have calmed down now, Verstappen didn't say a word about Marko leaving which he opposed ferociously when Horner was still in the team.

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Jos also was very against Horner, so Max by default also supported his dad. It was Helmut, Jos, Max, Austria vs Thai and Horner. Thais were under constant pressure to justify Horner, but as performance dipped + combined with the scandal, the Thais withdrew their support.

Going by Helmut words, it also seems like he was backstabbed by the Austrian's, hence his comment about 'you think you understand people'. There are no saints in this fight, everyone fought dirty, including the Austrians with their constant negative PR against Horner by using their Dutch journos. Horner thinking he could somehow get the better of a 49% shareholder, with operational rights to F1.

Verstappen might be calm now, but the core team around him has disappeared fast, he doesn't have people as many people he feels loyal too, if the cars in the next 1-2 years don't perform, it will be easier than ever for him to jump ship. If Verstappen jumps ship, there's a big slump coming for Red Bull.

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Mekies:
“Sure, we wasted time on the 2026 development, but in return, we gained trust and certainty. Next year, the challenge is titanic: we’re building the engine in-house with the support of Ford. We know we’ll have to struggle at the start; it would be naive to say no”
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/laurent- ... 2026-fears

This sets the expectations at a reasonable level I think.
I thrust this more than Marko's line about going for both championships again next year.
Back to 2014 kinda results I guess.

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ME4ME wrote:
14 Dec 2025, 22:21
Mekies:
“Sure, we wasted time on the 2026 development, but in return, we gained trust and certainty. Next year, the challenge is titanic: we’re building the engine in-house with the support of Ford. We know we’ll have to struggle at the start; it would be naive to say no”
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/laurent- ... 2026-fears

This sets the expectations at a reasonable level I think.
I thrust this more than Marko's line about going for both championships again next year.
Back to 2014 kinda results I guess.
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This comes from the not so reliable GP Blog and it says: "Mekies told Corriere della Sera."

So the original source is the not so reliable Corriere della Sera.
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Its not a rumour or some anonymous source speculation. Its a quote.

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The red bull,team is too capable to not be there. Ok, engine. But i think all engines will be in the ball park. Without mgu-h.

To me, the active aero just screams (rules) bending. This whole rearwing from the current area was to prevent moving mainwingplanes.

That will decide who wins. The last airbender.