Nascar's Kyle Busch-Ron Hornaday collision

[raymondu999]

I'm not a big fan of NASCAR nor do I even follow the results. But I saw a tweet from someone I followed on Twitter and brought this to my attention. 3 weeks after Dan Wheldon, and 2 weeks after Marco Simoncelli. I know it's a strong word, but; disgusting.

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Kyle Busch should be disqualified from the title; and perhaps from a few races too; a la Jerez 1997 (Schumacher-Villeneuve)

[flynfrog]

I agree.

[raymondu999]

Apparently he’s just gotten banned for the Texas Sprint Cup race or some such

[Jersey Tom]

Completely absurd. A series where KyBusch isn't even eligible to compete for the championship.

He has been indeed been parked for the NNS and NSCS events this weekend (rightfully so IMO). We'll see what else shakes out.

Completely unprofessional and unacceptable though.

[Steven]

I'm not really familiar with Nascar, apart from seeing some highlights here and there. I'm also not sure how popular Kyle Bush is, but that shouldn't matter.

So, let's say, in Formula One, we have someone intentionally drive off another car under a yellow flag situation. What would the penalty be?
I'm thinking a ban for the rest of the races and the removal of all points finishes scored this year so far.

The positive thing here though it that it is clear the action was done intentionally. In F1, you'd never know for sure until an F1 commission trial, as teams and drivers here do their best to cover everything (most of the time, for commercial reasons).

[Ray]

Doesn't matter if he was fighting for 5th or the entire championship. The fact he wasn't doesn't matter. He intentionally wrecked another competitor for something that wasn't that big of a deal. If I were Hornaday I'd be suspended too. Not for wrecking him, but for rearranging that little shits face. I'm serious, I'd hurt him bad and explain to him that kind of behavior isn't allowed on track. NASCAR won't solve this problem, it's happened too many times and anything less than complete banning from at minimum 5 events, all series, isn't good enough. He should be sat out for the rest of the season but NASCAR has been lax on this in the past and this is nothing more than a slap on the wrist. 1 weekend isn't going to make a difference to him, his attitude shows that he doesn't care about his fellow competitors. And that's why I sat Hornadat should have beat that kids ass for what he did. For the FSM's sake, he could have seriously injured Ron over a simple brush with the wall. Kyle Busch is going to get himself hurt, or fired. I don't care how good someone is, you start taking people out over childish things like that, they are going to catch up with you later and fix your problem. I hope Ron does kick his ass, but I know it won't happen. In this case, violence is the answer. People like Kyle Busch only learn through pain and repetition.

[jon-mullen]

NASCAR won't solve this problem, it's happened too many times and anything less than complete banning from at minimum 5 events, all series, isn't good enough. He should be sat out for the rest of the season but NASCAR has been lax on this in the past and this is nothing more than a slap on the wrist.

You're absolutely right, Ray. NASCAR has such a low opinion of its fans that they can't even enforce rules that are so obvious to anyone who follows motorsports that they don't need to be written. They should have set an example when Edwards and Keselowski were wrecking each other week after week. Instead, it looks like they're afraid of being perceived as deciding races or worse, being pu**ies.

And in response to the rest, yes, SOMEONE needs to kick Kyle Busch's ass.

[Ray]

You're absolutely right, Ray. NASCAR has such a low opinion of its fans that they can't even enforce rules that are so obvious to anyone who follows motorsports that they don't need to be written. They should have set an example when Edwards and Keselowski were wrecking each other week after week. Instead, it looks like they're afraid of being perceived as deciding races or worse, being pu**ies.

And in response to the rest, yes, SOMEONE needs to kick Kyle Busch's ass.

I don't follow NASCAR anymore for many reasons, but I was literally dumbfounded the let Edwards get away with turning Brad into the fence like he did at Talladega I believe. For cripes sake, when Keselowski hit the fence on the drivers side in one race, if I were him I would have gone straight to Mike Helton and told him if he didn't sit Edwards out for at least 10 races I'm going to court. There is reasonable expectation that racing competitors are safe from other drivers intentionally creating extremely dangerous situations on track, much less purposely wrecking them. I quit watching completely after that and will never watch again. They seem to want the drivers to actually kill another one or severely injure them or fans to take back control of that series.

NASCAR does almost everything wrong when it comes to enforcing rules and I'm sorry to say that someone WILL be killed before they put a stop to it. Fist fights among drivers and crews is fine in my book, when they start using the cars to retaliate is when they need to be banned. Not points taken away, not measly $10,000 fines. Bans. For not one race, but multiple ones. And they need to take it as far as no communication between banned drivers and their teams for the duration of the punishment. Instances where participants and fans are injured need to result in lifetime bans. They'll ban guys (Mayfield) for suspected drug use without appeal but they'll let drivers literally damage cars and "take each other out" and put innocent fans at risk. NASCAR is a joke and I wish that series would fold. Immediately.

[Jersey Tom]

NASCAR is a joke and I wish that series would fold.

Would put me out of a job so let's not hope for that outcome.

[Ray]

NASCAR is a joke and I wish that series would fold.

Would put me out of a job so let's not hope for that outcome.

Well, in that case I'm sorry for saying it like that.

[szlaszlo84]

I can't believe they only banned him for one race weekend. Just goes to show that it is all a great circus. Number 3 lost his life in a vary similar accident - well that was an accident, this one is reckless driving.

[cossie]

NASCAR is a joke and I wish that series would fold.

Would put me out of a job so let's not hope for that outcome.

Well, in that case I'm sorry for saying it like that.

Now if ya said the IRL everyone would agree

[Jersey Tom]

I can't believe they only banned him for one race weekend. Just goes to show that it is all a great circus.

I wouldn't say that just yet. They can still opt to eliminate him from Phoenix and Homestead.. or anything. For the time being he's out of the Cup race on Sunday but it can be appended to be more.

[raymondu999]

I'm not familiar with NASCAR; but a friend was telling me about a "Have at it" policy where retaliation is allowed in NASCAR? How does that fall in place with this?

[Steven]

I can't believe they only banned him for one race weekend. Just goes to show that it is all a great circus.

I wouldn't say that just yet. They can still opt to eliminate him from Phoenix and Homestead.. or anything. For the time being he's out of the Cup race on Sunday but it can be appended to be more.

Even then, I think it's amateurish to say the least. I understand they're going to decide whether further action is needed in the coming days, but why does it even have to take this long? It's just a matter of viewing and listening to the footage.

Do these guys not have a commission of stewards or something? I read the owner of NASCAR went to talk to Busch face to face. I don't get it